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Old 01-16-2010, 11:52 PM   #1
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manual valves?

I've been seeing the subject of manual valves for air bags coming up here and there and I don't fully understand it.

I know that traditional systems have electric solenoids that open/close the valves, and I know that the manual valves have the air plumbed directly to them.

That is where I lose it, can somebody fill in the blanks for me? Like what is the sequence of operations? I'm sure a simple schematic would clear it all up but I can't find one.

For example: http://www.airbagit.com/product-p/air-con-35c.htm

How is the compressor and pressure switch controlled?

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Old 01-17-2010, 12:15 AM   #2
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Re: manual valves?

its pretty simple actually. lets say you want independent control over each wheel. you would run four, 1/4" airlines into your cab from the tank to your manual valves. then you would run four, 1/4" airlines to your bags from each valve. now to hook up gauges, which you would want at least 2 dual needles, you just splice into the airline that goes from your valve to the bags with four "T" fittings.

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here is a wiring diagram for your psi switch and compressors.
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:20 AM   #3
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Re: manual valves?

Wow, thanks!
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:55 AM   #4
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No problem! If your interested in the valves and a stainless panel that the valves snap into, that runs $64.99. If you want to add gauges just add $55.00. Stainless plates are laser cut in house in case your interested in a specific design.
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Old 01-17-2010, 10:49 AM   #5
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Re: manual valves?

You can get away w/running 2 supply lines into the cab T'd off to 4 manual paddles switches. The paddle switches then run 1 line each out to each corner.

The down side to manual paddle switches is they dump the exhaust air into the cab (@ the paddle switch) vs. outside. Could get funky if you jack w/the height alot. I pretty much leave mine alone so it never bothered me. I've thought about trying to determine where on the switch they dump to see if the air could be routed externally of the cab but haven't gotten around to it.

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No problem! If your interested in the valves and a stainless panel that the valves snap into, that runs $64.99. If you want to add gauges just add $55.00. Stainless plates are laser cut in house in case your interested in a specific design.
Is that $55 each gauge or for both ($120 total; 4-switches, 2 dual needle gauges)?
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:58 PM   #6
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$120.00 total for 4 paddle valves, 2 airlift dual needle gauges, and the stainless plate pictured that holds the gauges and the valves. If that plate is not desireable to your application we can laser cut one to your design. We can also bend a mounting flange at the top of the plate for under dash mounting.
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$120.00 total for 4 paddle valves, 2 airlift dual needle gauges, and the stainless plate pictured that holds the gauges and the valves. If that plate is not desireable to your application we can laser cut one to your design. We can also bend a mounting flange at the top of the plate for under dash mounting.
That's a good price.

Can you get them as individual parts/pieces if needed (I haven't noticed them in your website)? I did my set-up(s) w/my own fabbed mounting plate vs. one that attaches under the dash.
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Old 01-17-2010, 02:30 PM   #8
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Yeah, they are not on the site yet. The valves will run $14.99 each. The gauges are around $30.00 each for the dual needles.
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Re: manual valves?

Good to know.
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Old 01-17-2010, 04:48 PM   #10
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The down side to manual paddle switches is they dump the exhaust air into the cab (@ the paddle switch) vs. outside.
Has anyone considered using quick exhaust valves on these manual set ups to dump the air outside. That way the only air dumping in the cab is pilot air and not bag air and an orifice can be threaded in the exhaust port to aid in adjusting bag height if it's a problem. Just thinking out loud.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:49 AM   #11
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Re: manual valves?

do they have to dump into the cab or does the valve have a fitting that hoses can be run out of?
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do they have to dump into the cab or does the valve have a fitting that hoses can be run out of?
The valve has a hole in the back that dumps the air. With this valve the air dumps inside the cab.
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Re: manual valves?

Can you fit a small barbed fitting in it to put an airline onto it to run out? Always curious about that.
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Can you fit a small barbed fitting in it to put an airline onto it to run out? Always curious about that.
The ones I have from Ride Tech don't have a place on the switch to connect a fitting to.
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Can you fit a small barbed fitting in it to put an airline onto it to run out? Always curious about that.
no, its just a small hole.
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no, its just a small hole.
Can't fit a small barbed fitting in there though? lol
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Re: manual valves?

Actually the hole is really small and you'd have to try drilling it out before trying to tap it with with a 10/32 NPT tap. Even then with a 10/32 thread you'd be pretty limited on fitting selection and could probably only run 1/8 line off the barb.
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True....
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Old 01-27-2010, 06:24 PM   #19
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Hey LEEVON, why are you asking .... Are you going to bag it .... it would look sweet !! next time you are in siloam stop in
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:31 AM   #20
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Re: manual valves?

Hey Mike, I dunno but I want to bag something (airbag that is) and I'm all about keeping it simple. It will probably be this one though:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=383265

I really like the idea of not having to mount the valves out in the elements and simplicity of the whole system. In a rusty old truck there's no worries about the dumping valves in the cab. Not too mention $120 is a darn good deal.

I need to come down there and see your truck again! Don't forget to holler if you're in Bentonville.
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