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low 84 · 01-28-2003, 06:05 PM

i am thinking about doing this mabey this summer on the new engine. i want to clean up the asscesories somehow, but i can't afford like billet brakets and pullies and stuff like march sells. so i think mabey i will convert it over to sepintene just for a differnent look. so.........

1. where is the best place to get the stuff, i need brakets and alt, powersteering pump and all the odds and ends to make it work.

2. how do i work the power steering pump into it, what i mean is, can a change my powersteering pump pully to a serpintine one or do i get a serpintine powersteering pump? if a get a new pump, how do i know if it will work with my steering box and hoses?

3. i don't have a compressor on it and i don't plan on fixing the a/c anytime soon. so can do the serpintine setup w/o the compressor and just use a shorter belt, or do i need some kind of idler pully setup to take the place of the compressor?

thanks for any help. if anyone has pics of this that would be great also.

low 84 · 01-28-2003, 06:30 PM

okay, disregard my post. i was doing some researching and found that you have to use a reverse rotation water pump, and that its hard to locate non smog pump serpintine brakets, so i don't want to do it anymore.

bigd65 · 01-28-2003, 07:13 PM

crap, i have the serpentine on my truck with nooooo smog pump

low 84 · 01-28-2003, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigd65
crap, i have the serpentine on my truck with nooooo smog pump

where did you get it jeff? and you got any pics? antoher thing is i don't have a/c so there would be a big open braket with nothing in it

SCOTI · 01-28-2003, 08:26 PM

I got the cast alum bracket set-up off of a late 80's, 4.3v-6, S-10 blazer @ a wrecking yard for 100$. It included the alt., pwr.steer pump, + a/c compressor & didn't have a smog pump. If you go looking & find one, be sure to get the vehicle vin# so you can look up the proper serpentine belt @ the parts house.

I haven't gotten around to installing it yet on my 74 though. I figure I'll do it right before a/c season hits 'cause it will require re-routing of the a/c lines. I can't believe you're in Texas w/a late model truck & don't have a/c

gchemist · 01-28-2003, 08:28 PM

I was on the web looking for some brackets when I came across this site. They are selling complete used serpentine conversion kits for $200.00. You can fine them at Trans Am Creations All the parts are used but its a great start for someone who wants to do the conversion.

For a nonsmog option you need to get parts off a 94 or 95 Chevy. I already have mine.

Yes the water pump is reverse but they not have the smog pump bracket which makes it look really cool. I bought all my brackets new from http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/
Check ebay too. I see systems there all the time. Oh I have a setup like Jeff's if you're interested. Its a one piece bracket type made of steal. It does however have the smog pump bracket there.
Here is setup out of a S-10 Cyclone!!

Here is a post I put on the 88+ forum.

low 84 · 01-28-2003, 10:12 PM

i think i'm gonna go with some march setup instead mainly b/c of the reverse w/p and the open serp bracket where the compressor goes, i will have if i use the serp.

79BIG10 · 01-29-2003, 04:29 PM

Ryan Jim Pace sells a complete serpentine system with everythign you need including new p/s, ac compressor, and alt. I can get the site if you were thinking about doing this.

all4gss · 03-28-2003, 08:34 PM

serpentine setups can come off of about anything. If you dont want the smog pump just dont bolt it on, as for your AC compressor problem, gm sells a pulley that bolts in place of the AC compressor (because of the design of the serpentine assembly you have to have some sort of pully upthere to hang the belt on. Anyway, i think they look cool. i got a set off ebay for 200 bucks, included all accessories and bolts.

as a side note my friend used a small block serpentine setup on his big-block and it looked great. had to fab some spacers and modify the brackets a little. but it looks great.

and i know the reverse rotation pump might be a problem, but i just spent 3 hours jacking around w/ my buddy's 86 ford 150 which had 4 separate belts and everything bolted to the waterpump. i'm certain that with two extra hours we could have swapped the long block as far as we had to take that sucker down :-)

anyway, the ac pully thing is about 25 from GM dealers.

Keith

J-Spec C10 · 03-28-2003, 11:03 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the 88 and up SBC engines use a reverse rotation Waterpump and later on after like '95 don't they even use a serpentine belt? Couldn't we just use those parts for the conversion?

all4gss · 03-29-2003, 01:09 AM

i'm not sure about any year swap... but if you use a serpentine belt, and the toothed side goes around the crank, and the smooth side around the waterpump pulley, then the pump has to be reverse rotation... makes sense right?

low 84 · 03-29-2003, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by all4gss
serpentine setups can come off of about anything. If you dont want the smog pump just dont bolt it on, as for your AC compressor problem, gm sells a pulley that bolts in place of the AC compressor (because of the design of the serpentine assembly you have to have some sort of pully upthere to hang the belt on. Anyway, i think they look cool. i got a set off ebay for 200 bucks, included all accessories and bolts.

as a side note my friend used a small block serpentine setup on his big-block and it looked great. had to fab some spacers and modify the brackets a little. but it looks great.

and i know the reverse rotation pump might be a problem, but i just spent 3 hours jacking around w/ my buddy's 86 ford 150 which had 4 separate belts and everything bolted to the waterpump. i'm certain that with two extra hours we could have swapped the long block as far as we had to take that sucker down :-)

anyway, the ac pully thing is about 25 from GM dealers.

Keith

this post is a couple months old, i have since decided to go with an aftermarket march setup. the reason i wanted stuff off a non smog truck is that the smog pump bracket is built into some of the other brackets so its looks weird with this big open bracket with nothing in it, but the aftermarket setup eliminates all this stuff, so its no problem. but thanks for the info

MSL · 04-01-2003, 04:19 AM

Is this the place you got your stuff from.

http://www.marchperf.com/index.html

low 84 · 04-01-2003, 02:36 PM

yes thats the place,but i haven't bought it yet.

01-28-2003, 06:05 PM	#1
low 84 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,144	whos done the serpintine conversion? i am thinking about doing this mabey this summer on the new engine. i want to clean up the asscesories somehow, but i can't afford like billet brakets and pullies and stuff like march sells. so i think mabey i will convert it over to sepintene just for a differnent look. so......... 1. where is the best place to get the stuff, i need brakets and alt, powersteering pump and all the odds and ends to make it work. 2. how do i work the power steering pump into it, what i mean is, can a change my powersteering pump pully to a serpintine one or do i get a serpintine powersteering pump? if a get a new pump, how do i know if it will work with my steering box and hoses? 3. i don't have a compressor on it and i don't plan on fixing the a/c anytime soon. so can do the serpintine setup w/o the compressor and just use a shorter belt, or do i need some kind of idler pully setup to take the place of the compressor? thanks for any help. if anyone has pics of this that would be great also. __________________ '51 F100, backhalf with a narrowed 9 and coil overs, 18.5" mickeys, monte front clip, +400" sbc in the works '05 1500 Crew Cab RIP '84 swb 5/7 drop, solid cammed 408 w/ fully ported dart heads, th350 w/ 10 inch hughes, 12 bolt w/ 3.73 richmonds and a locker '80 swb 4x4 in progress: 7" lift, 350 th350/np205, d44 and 1.5" ORD tie rod, 14BFF w/discs , armored diff covers, 40" MTR's

01-28-2003, 06:30 PM	#2
low 84 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,144	okay, disregard my post. i was doing some researching and found that you have to use a reverse rotation water pump, and that its hard to locate non smog pump serpintine brakets, so i don't want to do it anymore. __________________ '51 F100, backhalf with a narrowed 9 and coil overs, 18.5" mickeys, monte front clip, +400" sbc in the works '05 1500 Crew Cab RIP '84 swb 5/7 drop, solid cammed 408 w/ fully ported dart heads, th350 w/ 10 inch hughes, 12 bolt w/ 3.73 richmonds and a locker '80 swb 4x4 in progress: 7" lift, 350 th350/np205, d44 and 1.5" ORD tie rod, 14BFF w/discs , armored diff covers, 40" MTR's

01-28-2003, 07:13 PM	#3
bigd65 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Clute, TX. Posts: 1,935	crap, i have the serpentine on my truck with nooooo smog pump __________________ 2004 Silverado Crewcab 1972 Chevy Monte Carlo 2017 Chevy Tahoe

01-28-2003, 08:26 PM	#5
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 22,066	I got the cast alum bracket set-up off of a late 80's, 4.3v-6, S-10 blazer @ a wrecking yard for 100$. It included the alt., pwr.steer pump, + a/c compressor & didn't have a smog pump. If you go looking & find one, be sure to get the vehicle vin# so you can look up the proper serpentine belt @ the parts house. I haven't gotten around to installing it yet on my 74 though. I figure I'll do it right before a/c season hits 'cause it will require re-routing of the a/c lines. I can't believe you're in Texas w/a late model truck & don't have a/c __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

01-28-2003, 08:28 PM	#6
gchemist BAD BOW-Silverado XST Join Date: May 2000 Location: Senior Member from Austin, TX Posts: 6,431	I was on the web looking for some brackets when I came across this site. They are selling complete used serpentine conversion kits for $200.00. You can fine them at Trans Am Creations All the parts are used but its a great start for someone who wants to do the conversion. For a nonsmog option you need to get parts off a 94 or 95 Chevy. I already have mine. Yes the water pump is reverse but they not have the smog pump bracket which makes it look really cool. I bought all my brackets new from http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/ Check ebay too. I see systems there all the time. Oh I have a setup like Jeff's if you're interested. Its a one piece bracket type made of steal. It does however have the smog pump bracket there. Here is setup out of a S-10 Cyclone!! Here is a post I put on the 88+ forum. __________________ Gerardo a.k.a. Mad Chemist Silverado XST videos Last edited by gchemist; 01-28-2003 at 10:37 PM.

01-28-2003, 10:12 PM	#7
low 84 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,144	i think i'm gonna go with some march setup instead mainly b/c of the reverse w/p and the open serp bracket where the compressor goes, i will have if i use the serp. __________________ '51 F100, backhalf with a narrowed 9 and coil overs, 18.5" mickeys, monte front clip, +400" sbc in the works '05 1500 Crew Cab RIP '84 swb 5/7 drop, solid cammed 408 w/ fully ported dart heads, th350 w/ 10 inch hughes, 12 bolt w/ 3.73 richmonds and a locker '80 swb 4x4 in progress: 7" lift, 350 th350/np205, d44 and 1.5" ORD tie rod, 14BFF w/discs , armored diff covers, 40" MTR's

01-29-2003, 04:29 PM	#8
79BIG10 I'm back with 2nd truck! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 3,774	Ryan Jim Pace sells a complete serpentine system with everythign you need including new p/s, ac compressor, and alt. I can get the site if you were thinking about doing this. __________________ 1979 Chevrolet Bonanza Big10 "Tootsie Roll" 1985 Chevrolet Silverado (wife's) Member of the Southern Bowties Club "Don't underestimate how sexy a fat man who drinks to excess can be." Homer Simpson

03-28-2003, 08:34 PM	#9
all4gss Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rolla, Mo Posts: 46	serpentine setups can come off of about anything. If you dont want the smog pump just dont bolt it on, as for your AC compressor problem, gm sells a pulley that bolts in place of the AC compressor (because of the design of the serpentine assembly you have to have some sort of pully upthere to hang the belt on. Anyway, i think they look cool. i got a set off ebay for 200 bucks, included all accessories and bolts. as a side note my friend used a small block serpentine setup on his big-block and it looked great. had to fab some spacers and modify the brackets a little. but it looks great. and i know the reverse rotation pump might be a problem, but i just spent 3 hours jacking around w/ my buddy's 86 ford 150 which had 4 separate belts and everything bolted to the waterpump. i'm certain that with two extra hours we could have swapped the long block as far as we had to take that sucker down :-) anyway, the ac pully thing is about 25 from GM dealers. Keith __________________ true power comes from above!!! 1984 C/10 2wd SWB.

03-28-2003, 11:03 PM	#10
J-Spec C10 Whats this wire for?.... Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, CANADA Posts: 378	Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the 88 and up SBC engines use a reverse rotation Waterpump and later on after like '95 don't they even use a serpentine belt? Couldn't we just use those parts for the conversion? __________________ Kyle CANADIAN CONNECTION '82 C10 Resto-Custom--> * 2 1/4" manifold back dual exhaust with Hooker Aerochambers & High Flow Cats Taylor Ignition Wires Centerline 15" Telstars with 32"x10" mudders

03-29-2003, 01:09 AM	#11
all4gss Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rolla, Mo Posts: 46	i'm not sure about any year swap... but if you use a serpentine belt, and the toothed side goes around the crank, and the smooth side around the waterpump pulley, then the pump has to be reverse rotation... makes sense right? __________________ true power comes from above!!! 1984 C/10 2wd SWB.

04-01-2003, 04:19 AM	#13
MSL Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: So.Oregon Posts: 765	Is this the place you got your stuff from. http://www.marchperf.com/index.html

04-01-2003, 02:36 PM	#14
low 84 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,144	yes thats the place,but i haven't bought it yet. __________________ '51 F100, backhalf with a narrowed 9 and coil overs, 18.5" mickeys, monte front clip, +400" sbc in the works '05 1500 Crew Cab RIP '84 swb 5/7 drop, solid cammed 408 w/ fully ported dart heads, th350 w/ 10 inch hughes, 12 bolt w/ 3.73 richmonds and a locker '80 swb 4x4 in progress: 7" lift, 350 th350/np205, d44 and 1.5" ORD tie rod, 14BFF w/discs , armored diff covers, 40" MTR's



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