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hotrodmtodd · 03-15-2011, 10:09 PM

Cliffs notes: Using the cast iron bellhousing between a 400 small block and a SM465. Have never had the bellhousing mount type starter before. Fresh rebuilt starter, correct external balanced flywheel. Starter sounds kind of tight like one of those pull cog friction cars from my childhood (OK last week) hehe. Do they make some kind of shim for these type starters (part#)? It gets REAL tight when it gets hot. Will probably put a heat blanket on it, but I still would like to loosen it up a bit even when it is cold. Any remedies? Let me know what you have done. Can I modify a block type starter to work with this bellhousing? Thanks, Mike

ETsC10 · 03-15-2011, 11:35 PM

Mike, I'm going to shift you over to the Engine & Drivetrain forum and
see if we can get you some answers.

crazy longhorn · 03-16-2011, 01:15 AM

Never & always are 2 words I dont like to use...they always get this old cat into trouble

But to be honest, I have not seen troubles with a bell mount starter. I am aware that there are "machining tolorances" from the factory. Some pcs fit right on, & some dont, when swapping parts.Do you have an aftermrket flywheel? send to the top for more info...crazyL

hotrodmtodd · 03-16-2011, 05:14 PM

The flywheel is a Dorman. The starter is a Worldwide reman. I am gonna swap in another one just to make sure. Beyond that, I need other options if it does the same thing. Let me know if you have any other ideas. Thanks, Mike

crazy longhorn · 03-18-2011, 12:24 AM

I dont have too much more advice on this one, other than both dowl pins in place & tight? I am running an aftermarket(Hayes billet wheel) on my 383....& I do remember the starter sounding a little tight in the beginning. Not too bad, But I listened, & after a few miles it was ok. could be in the machining on the ring gear? I will send this back to top.....if you find anything, let us know

crazyL

hotrodmtodd · 03-18-2011, 07:09 PM

I brought home another starter to try for tomorrow. This one looks like an actual factory piece. The other one looked like a NEW case, so I am thinking that the tolerance thing may have been a factor. We will cross our fingers and see what happens. I am going to put a blanket on it to make sure that heat doesnt add to the problem. Will let you guys know what happens. Stay tuned......

hotrodmtodd · 03-22-2011, 12:42 AM

Put the other starter in, and it works great. No noise at all. Thanks for the help

crazy longhorn · 03-22-2011, 01:13 AM

Good deal, I am glad to see you got her rollin... crazyL

03-15-2011, 10:09 PM	#1
hotrodmtodd 'Burban Legend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mingo Junction OH Posts: 918	Need Bellhousing type starter help Cliffs notes: Using the cast iron bellhousing between a 400 small block and a SM465. Have never had the bellhousing mount type starter before. Fresh rebuilt starter, correct external balanced flywheel. Starter sounds kind of tight like one of those pull cog friction cars from my childhood (OK last week) hehe. Do they make some kind of shim for these type starters (part#)? It gets REAL tight when it gets hot. Will probably put a heat blanket on it, but I still would like to loosen it up a bit even when it is cold. Any remedies? Let me know what you have done. Can I modify a block type starter to work with this bellhousing? Thanks, Mike __________________ '67 Chevy Iron City Beer Truck (9ft step) '67 Chevy Panel Truck 467 '68 Short Fleet 305v6 '68 McLaren Ramp Truck '68/'68/'70/'71 Burbs 292/366/402/454 '69 C-30 dump '71 C-50 dump and church bus '71 4x4 454 '72 Blazer (w/pop-up camper) $15 x-hooks '66 Chevy II 194/Weber '68 El Camino" 305v6 '69 Skylark 455 Buick '70 Chevelle 427 '71 Cutlass W-31 '71 GTO 400 2x2 "The 51" Chopped '51 Chevy (409) my first car OK Toad, we'll take 'em all... John Milner

03-15-2011, 11:35 PM	#2
ETsC10 Hand Crafted C-10 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Burien, WA Posts: 5,180	Re: Need Bellhousing type starter help Mike, I'm going to shift you over to the Engine & Drivetrain forum and see if we can get you some answers.

03-16-2011, 01:15 AM	#3
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,402	Re: Need Bellhousing type starter help Never & always are 2 words I dont like to use...they always get this old cat into trouble But to be honest, I have not seen troubles with a bell mount starter. I am aware that there are "machining tolorances" from the factory. Some pcs fit right on, & some dont, when swapping parts.Do you have an aftermrket flywheel? send to the top for more info...crazyL __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....

03-16-2011, 05:14 PM	#4
hotrodmtodd 'Burban Legend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mingo Junction OH Posts: 918	Re: Need Bellhousing type starter help The flywheel is a Dorman. The starter is a Worldwide reman. I am gonna swap in another one just to make sure. Beyond that, I need other options if it does the same thing. Let me know if you have any other ideas. Thanks, Mike __________________ '67 Chevy Iron City Beer Truck (9ft step) '67 Chevy Panel Truck 467 '68 Short Fleet 305v6 '68 McLaren Ramp Truck '68/'68/'70/'71 Burbs 292/366/402/454 '69 C-30 dump '71 C-50 dump and church bus '71 4x4 454 '72 Blazer (w/pop-up camper) $15 x-hooks '66 Chevy II 194/Weber '68 El Camino" 305v6 '69 Skylark 455 Buick '70 Chevelle 427 '71 Cutlass W-31 '71 GTO 400 2x2 "The 51" Chopped '51 Chevy (409) my first car OK Toad, we'll take 'em all... John Milner

03-18-2011, 12:24 AM	#5
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,402	Re: Need Bellhousing type starter help I dont have too much more advice on this one, other than both dowl pins in place & tight? I am running an aftermarket(Hayes billet wheel) on my 383....& I do remember the starter sounding a little tight in the beginning. Not too bad, But I listened, & after a few miles it was ok. could be in the machining on the ring gear? I will send this back to top.....if you find anything, let us know crazyL __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....

03-18-2011, 07:09 PM	#6
hotrodmtodd 'Burban Legend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mingo Junction OH Posts: 918	Re: Need Bellhousing type starter help I brought home another starter to try for tomorrow. This one looks like an actual factory piece. The other one looked like a NEW case, so I am thinking that the tolerance thing may have been a factor. We will cross our fingers and see what happens. I am going to put a blanket on it to make sure that heat doesnt add to the problem. Will let you guys know what happens. Stay tuned...... __________________ '67 Chevy Iron City Beer Truck (9ft step) '67 Chevy Panel Truck 467 '68 Short Fleet 305v6 '68 McLaren Ramp Truck '68/'68/'70/'71 Burbs 292/366/402/454 '69 C-30 dump '71 C-50 dump and church bus '71 4x4 454 '72 Blazer (w/pop-up camper) $15 x-hooks '66 Chevy II 194/Weber '68 El Camino" 305v6 '69 Skylark 455 Buick '70 Chevelle 427 '71 Cutlass W-31 '71 GTO 400 2x2 "The 51" Chopped '51 Chevy (409) my first car OK Toad, we'll take 'em all... John Milner

03-22-2011, 12:42 AM	#7
hotrodmtodd 'Burban Legend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mingo Junction OH Posts: 918	Re: Need Bellhousing type starter help Put the other starter in, and it works great. No noise at all. Thanks for the help __________________ '67 Chevy Iron City Beer Truck (9ft step) '67 Chevy Panel Truck 467 '68 Short Fleet 305v6 '68 McLaren Ramp Truck '68/'68/'70/'71 Burbs 292/366/402/454 '69 C-30 dump '71 C-50 dump and church bus '71 4x4 454 '72 Blazer (w/pop-up camper) $15 x-hooks '66 Chevy II 194/Weber '68 El Camino" 305v6 '69 Skylark 455 Buick '70 Chevelle 427 '71 Cutlass W-31 '71 GTO 400 2x2 "The 51" Chopped '51 Chevy (409) my first car OK Toad, we'll take 'em all... John Milner

03-22-2011, 01:13 AM	#8
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,402	Re: Need Bellhousing type starter help Good deal, I am glad to see you got her rollin... crazyL __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....



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