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**DANTIP** · 03-25-2011, 01:17 PM

I hope these are not owned by a board member. These "NOS" shoulder belts look like a scam. They totally look used and repainted, they do not have the dimpled top cover, they do not have info tags on them. I say BS! Watch out!

Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/70-72...6#ht_612wt_941

Eaby item # 180642344166

**70cst** · 03-25-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DANTIP

I hope these are not owned by a board member. These "NOS" shoulder belts look like a scam. They totally look used and repainted, they do not have the dimpled top cover, they do not have info tags on them. I say BS! Watch out!

Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/70-72...6#ht_612wt_941

Eaby item # 180642344166

The one close up buckle doesn't look all that mint, but the seller acknowledges that.
Could these be OEM new verses NOS and the seller is using the wrong term? I have seen new OEM that wasn't what I would call mint condition but very nice. Just a thought.

bcutt · 03-25-2011, 01:51 PM

Hard to tell, he did say he had to cancel his last auction because they were listed as perfect condition until he took them out of the box and noticed some imperfections. He does have what look to be the original boxes as well..

**DANTIP** · 03-25-2011, 02:10 PM

I don't know guys. I have a set of shoulder harnesses and they not only have date labels they have a shoulder belt use warning label on them (see photo). The correct top receptacle also has a molded-in dimple that holds the buckle in it when not in use (see photo). I also kept the empty GM boxes I could fill with whatever I wanted to appear to be NOS. There are people that know more about the shoulder harnesses, but I am VERY skeptical. I just went and looked at photos of some NOS belts advertised by IronMike and his are clearly NOS. The Ebay buckles look repainted and both buttons look used/damaged to me. Lastly, I doubt GM ever produced a belt without an ID tag!

BB72CHEVKT · 03-25-2011, 02:24 PM

some does look fishy

bcutt · 03-25-2011, 02:56 PM

well i will take your word for it because you sound much more knowledgeable than me on this subject

todd99 · 03-25-2011, 03:03 PM

Were shoulder belts an option? My truck has plugs in the pillar that look they could be a mount for shoulder belts. I always figured a PO installed some and then removed them.

chipflyer · 03-25-2011, 09:06 PM

Those are NOT the correct boots.

**71swb4x4** · 03-25-2011, 09:14 PM

His ad says they are for Blazers and Jimmys. I don't know anything about stock shoulder harnesses, but were the Blazer and Jimmy ones different? I am sure the bolts probably were. Maybe Blazers/Jimmys had a different way to hold the buckle when not in use???

**70cst** · 03-25-2011, 09:23 PM

I luv detective stories. This is a good example to why we ask before we buy if we do not have a warm and fuzzy feeling about the item that we are about to purchase.

Buyer beware.

JHT67 · 03-25-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 70cst

I luv detective stories. This is a good example to why we ask before we buy if we do not have a warm and fuzzy feeling about the item that we are about to purchase.

Buyer beware.

and this is what is great about this site, it's all about the little details, and without folks around noticing things like this, guys like me wouldn't even notice. I mean seat belt details.......awsome.

treveiger · 03-25-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JHT67

and this is what is great about this site, it's all about the little details, and without folks around noticing things like this, guys like me wouldn't even notice. I mean seat belt details.......awsome.

X2 we got some awesome members with a lot of knowlege on these trucks here.

Ya there deffenitally not new...

sameyrasmea72 · 03-25-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by todd99

Were shoulder belts an option? My truck has plugs in the pillar that look they could be a mount for shoulder belts. I always figured a PO installed some and then removed them.

Yes they were an option. I am not sure if they were optional in all the years (67-72). All trucks came with that plug unless it had shoulder belts.

70LonghornCST · 03-26-2011, 01:27 AM

I believe they are original GM parts. But, I think they are something that GM produced in the late 70's or 80s. Ironmike72 had a set of NOS seatbelts, which were GM replacement seatbelts...using the 6-band webbing. These shoulder belts use the 6-band webbing, too. But if you look back at the ones that Ironmike72 had for sale, the GM buttons on the buckles were lacking the "Mark of Excellence" inginia. Converesely, these have that insignia. Maybe, these shoulder belts were made earlier than the belts that Ironmike72 had were made. I'm not sure about that either. I have two NOS black should belts, one with a date code of '73, the other '72. One is missing the warning label, while the other one has it. Definately GM was lacking something in quality control along the way in regards to mine. I can't imagine why GM would not put ANY date codes on these, though. But, I would venture to guess that ones on eBay are GM, and GM used the Corvette boots A(no retaining dimple--verticle or horizontal style) since they most likely were still producing the Corvette boots at the time of producing these shoulder belts. Just my guess, though. As Arsenio Hall used to say, "Things that make you say hmmmm?"

**leddzepp** · 03-26-2011, 01:38 AM

those retainer boots are readily available on corvette repro parts. they are not original to our trucks. shoulder harnesses were a factory option from 67-70 and a dealer installed option in 71-72 from what i have read. mine came from a 67 and are identical to Dans.
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BLAZERMAN · 03-26-2011, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 71swb4x4

His ad says they are for Blazers and Jimmys. I don't know anything about stock shoulder harnesses, but were the Blazer and Jimmy ones different? I am sure the bolts probably were. Maybe Blazers/Jimmys had a different way to hold the buckle when not in use???

I dont think you could get a shoulder belt for a 69-72 Blazer, no attachment point with the fiberglass top, and the optional rollbar at that time sat to far back to use it. I did have a factory rollbar from a 73 up Blazer and it had a threaded bung on a tab for a shoulder belt, maybe these are for the 73 to 75 Blazers that still had the full fiberglass tops.

70LonghornCST · 03-26-2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BLAZERMAN

... maybe these are for the 73 to 75 Blazers that still had the full fiberglass tops.

Probably. I used to have a complete set of NOS beige shoulder belts that were dated '73. They came with the mounting hardware for a blazer.

kilomanjaro · 03-26-2011, 02:40 AM

Actually 69-72 blazer tops have 4 attachment points for shoulder harnesses. 2 in the same location as pickups and two in the rear for the rear seat.
John

ls1nova71 · 03-26-2011, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kilomanjaro

Actually 69-72 blazer tops have 4 attachment points for shoulder harnesses. 2 in the same location as pickups and two in the rear for the rear seat.
John

Is there a single wall to double wall difference ? I can see a double wall having them, but don't remember if the removable single wall top has them. Just wondering.
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kilomanjaro · 03-26-2011, 12:08 PM

Yes, Single walls have them too. The one on my blazer does, and all the others I have ever seen do also. There are 4 little plastic plugs, just like the ones in pickups.
John

FRENCHBLUE72 · 03-26-2011, 12:33 PM

My blazer double wall top has the plugs in the holes but I sure would not trust that fiberglass to hols me in a accident.

kilomanjaro · 03-26-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

My blazer double wall top has the plugs in the holes but I sure would not trust that fiberglass to hols me in a accident.

I have to agree there. I saw a photo once of a 69-72 blazer that had rolled over. The roof and windshield frame were completely flattened down to the top of the dash and the top of the bed sides. I have a roll bar in mine, but haven't figured out seat belts yet.

John
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VA72C10 · 03-26-2011, 03:32 PM

At least they're only a little over 400 right now

Does anyone have a factory bucket seat/console truck with shoulder belts? Wonder how you store the belts since the original lap belt receiver was stored in the console?

70LonghornCST · 03-26-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VA72C10

At least they're only a little over 400 right now

Does anyone have a factory bucket seat/console truck with shoulder belts? Wonder how you store the belts since the original lap belt receiver was stored in the console?

Like this:

VA72C10 · 03-26-2011, 03:47 PM

Thanks. 4 holes in my freshly restored console!!! Oh the horror

03-25-2011, 01:17 PM	#1
DANTIP Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Posts: 1,890	This Looks Shady I hope these are not owned by a board member. These "NOS" shoulder belts look like a scam. They totally look used and repainted, they do not have the dimpled top cover, they do not have info tags on them. I say BS! Watch out! Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/70-72...6#ht_612wt_941 Eaby item # 180642344166

03-25-2011, 01:51 PM	#3
bcutt Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North GA Posts: 400	Re: This Looks Shady Hard to tell, he did say he had to cancel his last auction because they were listed as perfect condition until he took them out of the box and noticed some imperfections. He does have what look to be the original boxes as well.. __________________ "Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see." - Thomas Jefferson 72 C10 SWB "Work in Progress"

03-25-2011, 02:10 PM	#4
DANTIP Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Posts: 1,890	Re: This Looks Shady I don't know guys. I have a set of shoulder harnesses and they not only have date labels they have a shoulder belt use warning label on them (see photo). The correct top receptacle also has a molded-in dimple that holds the buckle in it when not in use (see photo). I also kept the empty GM boxes I could fill with whatever I wanted to appear to be NOS. There are people that know more about the shoulder harnesses, but I am VERY skeptical. I just went and looked at photos of some NOS belts advertised by IronMike and his are clearly NOS. The Ebay buckles look repainted and both buttons look used/damaged to me. Lastly, I doubt GM ever produced a belt without an ID tag! Attached Images

03-25-2011, 02:24 PM	#5
BB72CHEVKT Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hideaway, TX Posts: 4,950	Re: This Looks Shady some does look fishy __________________ 71 Suburban 350/700R4 Project Trixie 72 CHEVY,Highlander,SWB,396,T400

03-25-2011, 02:56 PM	#6
bcutt Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North GA Posts: 400	Re: This Looks Shady well i will take your word for it because you sound much more knowledgeable than me on this subject __________________ "Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see." - Thomas Jefferson 72 C10 SWB "Work in Progress"

03-25-2011, 03:03 PM	#7
todd99 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: prescott, az Posts: 225	Re: This Looks Shady Were shoulder belts an option? My truck has plugs in the pillar that look they could be a mount for shoulder belts. I always figured a PO installed some and then removed them. __________________ 1971 C20 Longhorn Custom Camper

03-25-2011, 09:06 PM	#8
chipflyer Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Topeka, Ks Posts: 2,293	Re: This Looks Shady Those are NOT the correct boots. __________________ I'm not a pessimist, I'm just optimistic that bad things are going to happen. 1971 Cheyenne Super K10 - tilt, cruise, air, am/fm, tow hooks, factory buckets! 1986 Jeep J10 pickup, - 5.3L Vortec with 4L60e and NP241.

03-25-2011, 09:14 PM	#9
71swb4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 10,499	Re: This Looks Shady His ad says they are for Blazers and Jimmys. I don't know anything about stock shoulder harnesses, but were the Blazer and Jimmy ones different? I am sure the bolts probably were. Maybe Blazers/Jimmys had a different way to hold the buckle when not in use??? __________________ Some people are like slinkies, they aren't good for anything, but you can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. Last edited by 71swb4x4; 03-25-2011 at 09:15 PM.

03-25-2011, 09:23 PM	#10
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,375	Re: This Looks Shady I luv detective stories. This is a good example to why we ask before we buy if we do not have a warm and fuzzy feeling about the item that we are about to purchase. Buyer beware. __________________ A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder!

03-26-2011, 01:27 AM	#14
70LonghornCST Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 5,775	Re: This Looks Shady I believe they are original GM parts. But, I think they are something that GM produced in the late 70's or 80s. Ironmike72 had a set of NOS seatbelts, which were GM replacement seatbelts...using the 6-band webbing. These shoulder belts use the 6-band webbing, too. But if you look back at the ones that Ironmike72 had for sale, the GM buttons on the buckles were lacking the "Mark of Excellence" inginia. Converesely, these have that insignia. Maybe, these shoulder belts were made earlier than the belts that Ironmike72 had were made. I'm not sure about that either. I have two NOS black should belts, one with a date code of '73, the other '72. One is missing the warning label, while the other one has it. Definately GM was lacking something in quality control along the way in regards to mine. I can't imagine why GM would not put ANY date codes on these, though. But, I would venture to guess that ones on eBay are GM, and GM used the Corvette boots A(no retaining dimple--verticle or horizontal style) since they most likely were still producing the Corvette boots at the time of producing these shoulder belts. Just my guess, though. As Arsenio Hall used to say, "Things that make you say hmmmm?" __________________ 2018 Chevy Crew Cab 2006 Impala SS 1965 Plymouth Sport Fury 1970 Chevy Longhorn Bucket Seats Shoulder Belts Front Tow Hooks Factory Air Factory Speedwarning, Tach & Vaccum Factory Tilt CST Package AM/FM Radio Bumper Guards Richard 70 Longhorn CST Build Adding an AM/FM Decal Last edited by 70LonghornCST; 03-26-2011 at 01:28 AM.

03-26-2011, 01:38 AM	#15
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 20,058	Re: This Looks Shady those retainer boots are readily available on corvette repro parts. they are not original to our trucks. shoulder harnesses were a factory option from 67-70 and a dealer installed option in 71-72 from what i have read. mine came from a 67 and are identical to Dans. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ 1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man RIP FleetsidePaul

03-26-2011, 02:40 AM	#18
kilomanjaro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: From Kansas now in Palmer, Alaska Posts: 807	Re: This Looks Shady Actually 69-72 blazer tops have 4 attachment points for shoulder harnesses. 2 in the same location as pickups and two in the rear for the rear seat. John __________________ 63 Buick Wildcat 425 72 Chevy Blazer CST 72 Chevy C10 Cheyenne 00 Ford F-350 Super Duty 7.3L 09 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 10 Ford Expedition Limited

03-26-2011, 12:08 PM	#20
kilomanjaro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: From Kansas now in Palmer, Alaska Posts: 807	Re: This Looks Shady Yes, Single walls have them too. The one on my blazer does, and all the others I have ever seen do also. There are 4 little plastic plugs, just like the ones in pickups. John __________________ 63 Buick Wildcat 425 72 Chevy Blazer CST 72 Chevy C10 Cheyenne 00 Ford F-350 Super Duty 7.3L 09 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 10 Ford Expedition Limited

03-26-2011, 12:33 PM	#21
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Re: This Looks Shady My blazer double wall top has the plugs in the holes but I sure would not trust that fiberglass to hols me in a accident. __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

03-26-2011, 03:32 PM	#23
VA72C10 VA72C10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 25,267	Re: This Looks Shady At least they're only a little over 400 right now Does anyone have a factory bucket seat/console truck with shoulder belts? Wonder how you store the belts since the original lap belt receiver was stored in the console? __________________ Looking for a 67-72 swb or blazer project in or around VA.



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03-26-2011, 03:47 PM	#25
VA72C10 VA72C10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 25,267	Re: This Looks Shady Thanks. 4 holes in my freshly restored console!!! Oh the horror __________________ Looking for a 67-72 swb or blazer project in or around VA.

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