Manual rack (MS II type), who is using these? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

vjjack04 · 03-29-2012, 12:19 PM

Folks,
I now have a power rack, but don't have the truck on the road yet and was considering going to a manual one....anyone using a manual one (who thinks that is the way to go)?
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jimig1 · 03-29-2012, 12:37 PM

I don't have mine on the road yet either but I put in a power rack so I can use a smaller steering wheel.

jackson · 03-29-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vjjack04

Folks,
I now have a power rack, but don't have the truck on the road yet and was considering going to a manual one....anyone using a manual one (who thinks that is the way to go)?
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if you run skinny tires up front i think the manual would be fine

vjjack04 · 03-30-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jackson

if you run skinny tires up front i think the manual would be fine

I was just thinking that the manual, because it is designed to be that way - and is is a rack and pinion system, would be kinda cool.

solidaxel · 03-30-2012, 04:33 PM

I think you will be much happier with a power rack and pinion !!

vjjack04 · 03-30-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by solidaxel

I think you will be much happier with a power rack and pinion !!

Just don't want it to be too free...but I have the power rack so I may keep it.

parkwood · 03-30-2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by solidaxel

I think you will be much happier with a power rack and pinion !!

I say what solidaxel says.... you'll wish you had done it...

55Cameo · 03-31-2012, 01:10 AM

I have a manual rack i got with my mustang II kit. I will be putting it in within the next couple months and will let you know how it goes. I bought it for a clean simple install so no hoses clutter the engine comp and it was cheaper lol.

I'll be running 15's up front with a 225 or 235

vjjack04 · 03-31-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 55Cameo

I have a manual rack i got with my mustang II kit. I will be putting it in within the next couple months and will let you know how it goes. I bought it for a clean simple install so no hoses clutter the engine comp and it was cheaper lol.

I'll be running 15's up front with a 225 or 235

ok, see, that is what I was thinking.....it would look clean in there with use an alternator...I would think that the racks that are built to have no power, would be easier to use and have a good road feel. But I do not want to half to wrestle it.

vjjack04 · 03-31-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 55Cameo

I have a manual rack i got with my mustang II kit. I will be putting it in within the next couple months and will let you know how it goes. I bought it for a clean simple install so no hoses clutter the engine comp and it was cheaper lol.

I'll be running 15's up front with a 225 or 235

by the way, I see you are in Tucson. - have you used Wild West Customs for anything? I have and they are a good bunch of guys - in case you need some good TIG welding or something.

solidaxel · 03-31-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vjjack04

Just don't want it to be too free...but I have the power rack so I may keep it.

Check that power rack that came with the front end, and tell me how many turns you have from lock to lock.
There is plenty of room for a pump, and you can get high pressure hose and fittings at Don.s,, take the rack and Jay will set you up for the fittings and route the hoses in a clean manner, go for it you will like to drive your truck

vjjack04 · 03-31-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by solidaxel

Check that power rack that came with the front end, and tell me how many turns you have from lock to lock.
There is plenty of room for a pump, and you can get high pressure hose and fittings at Don.s,, take the rack and Jay will set you up for the fittings and route the hoses in a clean manner, go for it you will like to drive your truck

Thanks,
I will likely keep it, but wil put the pump and hoses together myself...who is jay?
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solidaxel · 04-01-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by vjjack04

Thanks,
I will likely keep it, but wil put the pump and hoses together myself...who is jay?
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Jay works at Don's Hot Rod shop in Tucson on Stone Ave.
They have the fittings that will fit the rack and PS pump, If you do not have anything for your plumbing.
When you are placing the high pressure line on the rack be sure to ID the high pressure inlet on the rack, you do NOT want to get them backwards

vjjack04 · 04-01-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by solidaxel

Jay works at Don's Hot Rod shop in Tucson on Stone Ave.
They have the fittings that will fit the rack and PS pump, If you do not have anything for your plumbing.
When you are placing the high pressure line on the rack be sure to ID the high pressure inlet on the rack, you do NOT want to get them backwards

thanks - i appreciate the info.

55Cameo · 04-04-2012, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by vjjack04

ok, see, that is what I was thinking.....it would look clean in there with use an alternator...I would think that the racks that are built to have no power, would be easier to use and have a good road feel. But I do not want to half to wrestle it.

I've heard manual racks aren't that hard to turn when made for manual steering and feel good, but nothing beats power steering in parking lots lol!!

I'm the same way just looking for clan clutter free install

55Cameo · 04-04-2012, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by vjjack04

by the way, I see you are in Tucson. - have you used Wild West Customs for anything? I have and they are a good bunch of guys - in case you need some good TIG welding or something.

I have never used them at all. I do alot of my work myself and my brother helps me at times cause he has a small shop. I've seen there shop, greats products and work. They said they could help me install my front end and gave me a great price i may take them up on

vjjack04 · 04-04-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 55Cameo

I have never used them at all. I do alot of my work myself and my brother helps me at times cause he has a small shop. I've seen there shop, greats products and work. They said they could help me install my front end and gave me a great price i may take them up on

I had them weld in the IFS. They charge a flat rate of about $55 an hour and it didn't take that long. They are a good outfit.

**Dieselwrencher** · 04-04-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 55Cameo

I've heard manual racks aren't that hard to turn when made for manual steering and feel good, but nothing beats power steering in parking lots lol!!

I'm the same way just looking for clan clutter free install

Most of the street rod guys I know have MII fronts wih manual racks. They swear by them. They say the ratio in the rack is different than in a power ack. My friend's dad has a 40 Chevy with a blown 540 and it has a manual rack. It turns with ease at a stand still. So I may go manual with my 40 ford this time around.

Scottshotrods · 04-04-2012, 07:55 PM

I would keep your power rack in your truck you will be much happier with it.When you make those right and left turns you will be glad you kept it in your truck.

Justin

jackson · 04-04-2012, 09:01 PM

i had a manual rack in my 63 ford truck. it turned real easy. i wouldnt be afraid of them

IndyBowtie · 04-04-2012, 09:15 PM

Just put a 283 and MII with manual rack in my '48 in Dec. Don't mind it at all. But I also have the original steering wheel. I can see where power would be good with a smaller wheel

55Cameo · 04-04-2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by vjjack04

I had them weld in the IFS. They charge a flat rate of about $55 an hour and it didn't take that long. They are a good outfit.

When I visited the shop he told me the same thing. I looked at his projects and he was kind enough to take me in the back for a tour. Loved the work. Will def keep them in mind

55Cameo · 04-05-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottshotrods

I would keep your power rack in your truck you will be much happier with it.When you make those right and left turns you will be glad you kept it in your truck.

Justin

I still wanna build a truck with power steering as well cause there are those times it makes all the diff in the world

55Cameo · 04-05-2012, 12:02 AM

Dieselwrencher: I have heard some info like that and interested to see how mine turns out.

Indy Bowtie: You have a valid point there too

Handfull 54 · 05-03-2012, 09:53 AM

I have power steering on my 54 with a big block. My steering is very sensative. I have been told to switch to a 79-93 mustang R&P because it is less sensative. Other than that I love the power steering. If you use a 79-93 rack be advised it is 15 1/2" center to center. If you have an older crossmember you will need to use off set bushings. The new racks have a slot in them so they can use either the 74-78 or the 79-93. NAPA part # is 22-203-F for the newer rack. This is the one that has 2 3/4 turns lock to lock. Hope this helps.

03-29-2012, 12:19 PM	#1
vjjack04 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bear Grass, NC Posts: 291	Manual rack (MS II type), who is using these? Folks, I now have a power rack, but don't have the truck on the road yet and was considering going to a manual one....anyone using a manual one (who thinks that is the way to go)? Posted via Mobile Device

03-29-2012, 12:37 PM	#2
jimig1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Elk River, MN Posts: 614	Re: Manual rack (MS II type), who is using these? I don't have mine on the road yet either but I put in a power rack so I can use a smaller steering wheel. __________________ 55 2nd series Chevy Pickup 2019 Chevy Equinox(Daily driver) 2011 Chevy Malibu (Wife's car) MSRA Member I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. -George Carlin

03-30-2012, 04:33 PM	#5
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03-31-2012, 01:10 AM	#8
55Cameo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 151	Re: Manual rack (MS II type), who is using these? I have a manual rack i got with my mustang II kit. I will be putting it in within the next couple months and will let you know how it goes. I bought it for a clean simple install so no hoses clutter the engine comp and it was cheaper lol. I'll be running 15's up front with a 225 or 235

04-04-2012, 07:55 PM	#19
Scottshotrods Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: oxnard ca Posts: 2,201	Re: Manual rack (MS II type), who is using these? I would keep your power rack in your truck you will be much happier with it.When you make those right and left turns you will be glad you kept it in your truck. Justin

04-04-2012, 09:01 PM	#20
jackson Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: el campo texas Posts: 322	Re: Manual rack (MS II type), who is using these? i had a manual rack in my 63 ford truck. it turned real easy. i wouldnt be afraid of them

04-04-2012, 09:15 PM	#21
IndyBowtie Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Greenwood Indiana Posts: 95	Re: Manual rack (MS II type), who is using these? Just put a 283 and MII with manual rack in my '48 in Dec. Don't mind it at all. But I also have the original steering wheel. I can see where power would be good with a smaller wheel

04-05-2012, 12:02 AM	#24
55Cameo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 151	Re: Manual rack (MS II type), who is using these? Dieselwrencher: I have heard some info like that and interested to see how mine turns out. Indy Bowtie: You have a valid point there too

05-03-2012, 09:53 AM	#25
Handfull 54 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Moorpark, California Posts: 159	Re: Manual rack (MS II type), who is using these? I have power steering on my 54 with a big block. My steering is very sensative. I have been told to switch to a 79-93 mustang R&P because it is less sensative. Other than that I love the power steering. If you use a 79-93 rack be advised it is 15 1/2" center to center. If you have an older crossmember you will need to use off set bushings. The new racks have a slot in them so they can use either the 74-78 or the 79-93. NAPA part # is 22-203-F for the newer rack. This is the one that has 2 3/4 turns lock to lock. Hope this helps.



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