Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

AustinBelair · 11-18-2013, 11:49 PM

I am trying to shop for suspension parts for my dad on a budget and I am scouring ebay for the lowest prices. It seems like MOOG is twice as much as Partsmaster and some other generics.

I need:

Inner and outer tie rods both side
Idler Arm

I've already got MOOG everything else.

blazer-k5 · 11-18-2013, 11:55 PM

Some moog parts make it onto airplanes...I personally havent heard anything bad about them.

NEWFISHER · 11-18-2013, 11:57 PM

I have found Moog items like ball joints ,tie rod ends and moving jointed items better quality but have found pitman arm, drag link and bushings reboxed and renamed with moog name on the box or vs. versa generic box with moog parts inside.

*Sharps40* · 11-19-2013, 06:29 AM

For a lower ball joint with the best chance of fitting snugly into our worn/old lower control arms, yes.

If you weld the lower ball joints anyway. No.

Over all, they will last longer than the off shore parts. But, if its not going to see 15000 miles per year, you prolly won't wear out the off shore parts too quickly either.

I have also purchased moogs in generic boxes. It comes as a nice suprize when it happens.

sigshooter · 11-19-2013, 08:39 AM

YES

Spend the extra money, you will be glad you did.

Greg63 · 11-19-2013, 01:22 PM

^^^^ I agree - Yes.
I totally rebuilt my front suspension 2 years ago exclusively with MOOG parts.
Greg.

**MisterC** · 11-19-2013, 01:44 PM

I can only echo the positives here. Over the years, through trial and error, I've made a personal decision to buy ONLY Moog suspension parts.

64fleetside · 11-19-2013, 03:40 PM

yes-I put offshore ball joints on one truck-they were wayy too stiff, when you turned the wheel it stayed turned. Had one joint that was sloppy, rest were too stiff. If you are getting non-MOOG stuff in MOOG box it is the suppliers, not MOOG-parts suppliers re-box stuff all the time, and it is the main reason stuff don't fit.

They re-box everything when a warehouse changes lines, like from Airtex fuel pumps to Spectra Premium pumps. They put all the Airtex pumps in Spectra boxes. Had a guy last year re-box all our Omega power steering hoses to Edelmann-first thing I sold was a throttle cable for 82 chevy pickup-had a clutch cable for a Mustang in the box.

64shortbed · 11-19-2013, 04:41 PM

I sell both MOOG and PARTSMASTER. From what i understand partsmasters are made basicly by moog. But they are made cheeper. MOOG is number 1. On a buget partsmaster. But you will get longer life from the MOOG.

**Clyde65** · 11-19-2013, 05:33 PM

I used a chinese lower ball joint on my truck and fter OEM failed. went about 100 miles and guess what, yep it failed. I rebuilt my suspension with Moog after that. about 7K miles and no weird noises or failures.

72freak · 11-19-2013, 05:37 PM

Yes, Moog is worth it opposed to the alternative. We as a country need to STOP buying "Made in China" when we can and this is one of those situations. If there is a part made anywhere but China....BUY IT.

Greg63 · 11-19-2013, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinBelair

I am trying to shop for suspension parts for my dad on a budget and I am scouring ebay for the lowest prices. It seems like MOOG is twice as much as Partsmaster and some other generics.

I need:

Inner and outer tie rods both side
Idler Arm

I've already got MOOG everything else.

Question answered?

*Sharps40* · 11-19-2013, 08:03 PM

Parts geek.com...heres for a 65 C10

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/196...e_rod_end.html

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/196...idler_arm.html

I just got upper and lower A arm shafts and bushings from them....completely satisfied for $13 per kit. They were better quality than the LMC cross shafts I put on my 64 C10 last year.

AustinBelair · 11-19-2013, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharps40

Parts geek.com...heres for a 65 C10

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/196...e_rod_end.html

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/196...idler_arm.html

I just got upper and lower A arm shafts and bushings from them....completely satisfied for $13 per kit. They were better quality than the LMC cross shafts I put on my 64 C10 last year.

Right on. Yeah I'm shopping for the 1980-1987 stuff since I bought all of the suspension from an '80 donor.

All I have left to buy is the inner and outer tie rods now. I'm going to hold out for MOOG.

kSStamp0182 · 11-19-2013, 09:58 PM

made the mistake of using junk balljoints, might have 150 miles on them & I'm going to have to pull it all back apart to redo it. the boots are already splintering into pieces. i will be using MOOG forever more.

sigshooter · 11-19-2013, 10:47 PM

I am a fleet manager for a city with over 400 vehicles, not counting equipment.

We have tried it all, the cheap stuff fails. You will get much longer life out of moog.

You get what you pay for!

Reyals Bemus · 11-19-2013, 10:51 PM

Yes.

*Sharps40* · 11-20-2013, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinBelair

Right on. Yeah I'm shopping for the 1980-1987 stuff since I bought all of the suspension from an '80 donor.

All I have left to buy is the inner and outer tie rods now. I'm going to hold out for MOOG.

partsgeek sells moog. Compare to local. Shipping might make the price differential moot.

BR3W CITY · 11-20-2013, 02:27 PM

I find that this USED to mean a lot more than it does today. When I used to work at NAPA in another life, we sold a few dfferent lines of parts for the suspension. Usually a Premium and a Regular, or a Service and Professional, the idea stays the same.

What I found out is that there isn't always a consistent difference. For example, "PREMIUM" cv's and drivetrain stuff used to always come from Dana/Spicer. It was US made, and worth the 3-4$ extra bucks. That changed to A1 Cardone, then changed again. Now, I frankly don't know what your getting.

When I shopped for a Pitman for my 66, there was a HUGE difference in quality. The "premium" unit looked like stock, and was THICK cast pedal with a nice firm joint. They cheaper version was over a 1/4" thinner in all measurements. On a piece like a pitman, that makes a massive difference.

dragnframe · 11-20-2013, 03:44 PM

Moog is the way to go but also look into XRF Chassis parts. Premium parts, manafactured in Canada, shipped to Michigan and distributed from there. They use Moog p/n's, usually about 40% cheaper

lil_sahara450r · 11-20-2013, 05:47 PM

MOOG!!! I believe you should have enough evidence now to sway you in the right direction.. I would suggest shopping around also. I bought MOOG everything for my
'66 from ROCKAUTO and I spent less then I would've spent on the local o'reilys store brand (junk)..

**1971 GMC SHORTY** · 11-20-2013, 06:12 PM

I Put Moog On My 1964 15 Plus Years ago Still Like New

RANDY COX · 11-20-2013, 07:37 PM

This sounds like a case of you get what you pay for.
sometimes cheaper parts mean cheaper parts.
I know what your saying though when your on a tight budget.

likaroc13 · 11-20-2013, 08:03 PM

We used new Moog stuff for my '66 front suspension, all of which I bought through a friend who knew the owner of a Carquest. I haven't been able to test everything since the truck is still down.

On my '93 S-10 I also rebuilt the entire front suspension with Moog. I made all purchases online with Advance Auto Parts. I used coupon codes from retailmenot.com to save money. You can create multiple orders combining certain parts as necessary to meet the pricing limits for the various discount codes, which in essence will save you even more. I placed my orders & was able to pick up 95% of what I needed in-store. So yeah, shop around. Rock Auto is good too.

11-18-2013, 11:49 PM	#1
AustinBelair Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 300	Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? I am trying to shop for suspension parts for my dad on a budget and I am scouring ebay for the lowest prices. It seems like MOOG is twice as much as Partsmaster and some other generics. I need: Inner and outer tie rods both side Idler Arm I've already got MOOG everything else. __________________ My mother is a recent cancer survivor and this truck build is for her

11-18-2013, 11:55 PM	#2
blazer-k5 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mcloud,Ok Posts: 157	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? Some moog parts make it onto airplanes...I personally havent heard anything bad about them. __________________ No trees were killed to send this note but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. AKA. RABIDJOE... if you have to ask you prob don't want to know. Ive had my shots dont worry 1960 235 4SPD C30

11-18-2013, 11:57 PM	#3
NEWFISHER Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,303	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? I have found Moog items like ball joints ,tie rod ends and moving jointed items better quality but have found pitman arm, drag link and bushings reboxed and renamed with moog name on the box or vs. versa generic box with moog parts inside.

11-19-2013, 06:29 AM	#4
Sharps40 Account Suspended Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: here Posts: 2,408	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? For a lower ball joint with the best chance of fitting snugly into our worn/old lower control arms, yes. If you weld the lower ball joints anyway. No. Over all, they will last longer than the off shore parts. But, if its not going to see 15000 miles per year, you prolly won't wear out the off shore parts too quickly either. I have also purchased moogs in generic boxes. It comes as a nice suprize when it happens.

11-19-2013, 08:39 AM	#5
sigshooter Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tahlequah, Ok Posts: 1,235	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? YES Spend the extra money, you will be glad you did. __________________ 1965 long bed ( grandpas old truck ) 1964 long bed BBW Custom Cab 1966 Short stepside 1964 long bed 1965 long bed Custom Cab, factory air, V-8, powerglide

11-19-2013, 01:22 PM	#6
Greg63 Enjoy your truck Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,066	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? ^^^^ I agree - Yes. I totally rebuilt my front suspension 2 years ago exclusively with MOOG parts. Greg. __________________ 1 Corinthians 10:13 1963 Chevrolet 1/2 ton 2010 Camaro SS/RS 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee 2016 Jeep Cherokee

11-19-2013, 01:44 PM	#7
MisterC Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hanford, CA Posts: 1,027	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? I can only echo the positives here. Over the years, through trial and error, I've made a personal decision to buy ONLY Moog suspension parts. __________________ Poor and content is Rich...and Rich enough! - William Shakespeare 1966 C10 Custom Cab "Luigi" Big Window - SWB Fleetside 350 V-8 - Powerglide My not so much a build thread as a "Slow Progression Thread":http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=486894

11-19-2013, 03:40 PM	#8
64fleetside Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: arkieland Posts: 1,070	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? yes-I put offshore ball joints on one truck-they were wayy too stiff, when you turned the wheel it stayed turned. Had one joint that was sloppy, rest were too stiff. If you are getting non-MOOG stuff in MOOG box it is the suppliers, not MOOG-parts suppliers re-box stuff all the time, and it is the main reason stuff don't fit. They re-box everything when a warehouse changes lines, like from Airtex fuel pumps to Spectra Premium pumps. They put all the Airtex pumps in Spectra boxes. Had a guy last year re-box all our Omega power steering hoses to Edelmann-first thing I sold was a throttle cable for 82 chevy pickup-had a clutch cable for a Mustang in the box.

11-19-2013, 04:41 PM	#9
64shortbed Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Scott city, ks Posts: 301	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? I sell both MOOG and PARTSMASTER. From what i understand partsmasters are made basicly by moog. But they are made cheeper. MOOG is number 1. On a buget partsmaster. But you will get longer life from the MOOG. __________________ 1964

11-19-2013, 05:33 PM	#10
Clyde65 1965 Chevy C10, 2005 4.8L/4l60 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 8,546	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? I used a chinese lower ball joint on my truck and fter OEM failed. went about 100 miles and guess what, yep it failed. I rebuilt my suspension with Moog after that. about 7K miles and no weird noises or failures. __________________ Clyde65 Rebuild of Clyde http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post8338184 69 Aristocrat Lo Liner build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post7561684 *support our troops!*

11-19-2013, 05:37 PM	#11
72freak Rottenwood Garage Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Marietta, Georgia Posts: 4,321	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? Yes, Moog is worth it opposed to the alternative. We as a country need to STOP buying "Made in China" when we can and this is one of those situations. If there is a part made anywhere but China....BUY IT. __________________ 2004 Chevrolet Suburban C1500 2001 Chevrolet 2500HD Crew 6.0 1999 Harley Davidson Electra Glide 1972 Chevrolet C-20 Custom Camper "Dump Truck" 1972 Chevrolet C-20 Suburban "Big Green" 1969 Chevrolet C-50 Wedge Hauler "Leonidis" 1966 C-10 2x4 short fleet 327 4 speed "Race Truck" 1952 Plymouth Cranbrook "Rican" (my grandfathers) 1931 Ford Model A Coupe "Black Beauty" 1930 Ford Model A truck "Club Cab" 4x4 Rottenwood Garage and Speed Shop.....where everything must be racy! *It's not just a hobby..It's a LIFESTYLE!!!* Thanks for nothing Barrett-Jackson You cant fix stupid or teach accountability! Time wasters, looky Lous and tire kickers are everywhere!

11-19-2013, 08:03 PM	#13
Sharps40 Account Suspended Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: here Posts: 2,408	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? Parts geek.com...heres for a 65 C10 http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/196...e_rod_end.html http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/196...idler_arm.html I just got upper and lower A arm shafts and bushings from them....completely satisfied for $13 per kit. They were better quality than the LMC cross shafts I put on my 64 C10 last year. Last edited by Sharps40; 11-19-2013 at 08:18 PM.

11-19-2013, 09:58 PM	#15
kSStamp0182 LSX addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tyler, Texas Posts: 262	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? made the mistake of using junk balljoints, might have 150 miles on them & I'm going to have to pull it all back apart to redo it. the boots are already splintering into pieces. i will be using MOOG forever more. __________________ -1982 C10 SWB GMC Sierra [undergoing 6.0/4L80E swap with mild restoration]

11-19-2013, 10:47 PM	#16
sigshooter Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tahlequah, Ok Posts: 1,235	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? I am a fleet manager for a city with over 400 vehicles, not counting equipment. We have tried it all, the cheap stuff fails. You will get much longer life out of moog. You get what you pay for! __________________ 1965 long bed ( grandpas old truck ) 1964 long bed BBW Custom Cab 1966 Short stepside 1964 long bed 1965 long bed Custom Cab, factory air, V-8, powerglide

11-19-2013, 10:51 PM	#17
Reyals Bemus Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Billerica, MA Posts: 329	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? Yes.



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11-20-2013, 02:27 PM	#19
BR3W CITY meowMEOWmeowMEOW Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: MKE WI Posts: 7,128	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? I find that this USED to mean a lot more than it does today. When I used to work at NAPA in another life, we sold a few dfferent lines of parts for the suspension. Usually a Premium and a Regular, or a Service and Professional, the idea stays the same. What I found out is that there isn't always a consistent difference. For example, "PREMIUM" cv's and drivetrain stuff used to always come from Dana/Spicer. It was US made, and worth the 3-4$ extra bucks. That changed to A1 Cardone, then changed again. Now, I frankly don't know what your getting. When I shopped for a Pitman for my 66, there was a HUGE difference in quality. The "premium" unit looked like stock, and was THICK cast pedal with a nice firm joint. They cheaper version was over a 1/4" thinner in all measurements. On a piece like a pitman, that makes a massive difference. __________________ *'66 Short Step / SD Tuned / Big Cam LQ4 / Backhalfed /Built 4l80e / #REBUILDEVERYTHING* MY BUILD THE H8RDCPTR //\\ MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL REV J HD

11-20-2013, 03:44 PM	#20
dragnframe Registered User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Rock Tavern NY Posts: 20	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? Moog is the way to go but also look into XRF Chassis parts. Premium parts, manafactured in Canada, shipped to Michigan and distributed from there. They use Moog p/n's, usually about 40% cheaper

11-20-2013, 05:47 PM	#21
lil_sahara450r Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Chickasha, OK Posts: 182	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? MOOG!!! I believe you should have enough evidence now to sway you in the right direction.. I would suggest shopping around also. I bought MOOG everything for my '66 from ROCKAUTO and I spent less then I would've spent on the local o'reilys store brand (junk).. __________________ '66 SWB BBW Custom cab factory A/C OEM roller 350/TH400 C-notched and bagged Frame off in progress! '69 Camaro Original 327 4 speed - completed

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11-20-2013, 07:37 PM	#23
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? This sounds like a case of you get what you pay for. sometimes cheaper parts mean cheaper parts. I know what your saying though when your on a tight budget. __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4

11-20-2013, 08:03 PM	#24
likaroc13 Rollin' Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 5,371	Re: Are the MOOG suspension parts really worth double? We used new Moog stuff for my '66 front suspension, all of which I bought through a friend who knew the owner of a Carquest. I haven't been able to test everything since the truck is still down. On my '93 S-10 I also rebuilt the entire front suspension with Moog. I made all purchases online with Advance Auto Parts. I used coupon codes from retailmenot.com to save money. You can create multiple orders combining certain parts as necessary to meet the pricing limits for the various discount codes, which in essence will save you even more. I placed my orders & was able to pick up 95% of what I needed in-store. So yeah, shop around. Rock Auto is good too. __________________ _____________________________________________ Phillip My Build threads: 1966 Chevy C-10 "Black Betty" shortbed, fleetside, BBW, 327 V8/ Powerglide (under construction) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ighlight=betty 1997 Chevy Tahoe, 2dr/2wd, mild custom (Daily driver) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=601142 Pics: '66 C-10 https://flic.kr/s/aHsjHWD4h9 '97 Tahoe https://flic.kr/s/aHsjGZ7wKP '93 C-1500 https://flic.kr/s/aHskxdpdnQ '88 S-10 Blazer https://flic.kr/s/aHsjYGx4Md Previous Rides: 1993 Chevy S-10 ext. cab, 4.3L, 4/5 drop (Sold) 1993 Chevy C-1500 short/step Retro-Rod (Sold) 1988 S-10 Blazer 2dr/2wd mild custom (Sold)

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