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r0lf- · 10-08-2003, 04:44 PM

I was taking a look at ART's webpage and I took a look at their coolride kits. I was wondering what N2Trux is using on his ride and what 5-8 used. I dont think Id 4-Link the back if I did do it, but its looking like more and more of a possibility with some nice 18 tucked under the fenders

Izzy · 10-08-2003, 05:01 PM

I used thier front cool ride kit that looks like this:

Also I got the 4 link kit and the same F9000 sleeve bags N2 has and it rode great and from what N2 said his rides good too.

TIMSPEED · 10-08-2003, 05:05 PM

If I ever did Bags, I would 4-link it, so I could lay out with 28" tires.

Izzy,
That Cool Ride kit looks VERY easy to install! You just weld those plates to the stock A-arm right?

Izzy · 10-08-2003, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by TIMSPEED
If I ever did Bags, I would 4-link it, so I could lay out with 28" tires.
Izzy,
That Cool Ride kit looks VERY easy to install! You just weld those plates to the stock A-arm right?

4 link or not depending on how much you "static" drop it you should be able to lay out.

No welding, drill 6 holes in the lip on the spring pocket and bolt it in and the lower cup sits in the coil pocket.

bagged81 · 10-08-2003, 05:32 PM

CoolRide and 4-link, only way to fly.

TIMSPEED · 10-08-2003, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by fiveeightchevy
4 link or not depending on how much you "static" drop it you should be able to lay out.

Please Explain...I understand static in the front with a 3" Drop Spindle...but if you don't have springs in the rear, how can you "Static" drop it?

OR, do you mean, if you've got your axle flipped with hangles and a 3" drop springs (10" drop), you can lay out?
Also...DAMN! That shiz is EASY to install in the front! AIRBAGS HERE I COME!!!

**N2TRUX** · 10-08-2003, 07:19 PM

In regards to my sustem I assume you mean my 77, since my Blazer doesn't get much press.

On the 77 we went with the ARC 4700 "Big Red" valve system (image #1).

They added the ARF11800 front kit which is what Izzy has pictured above^.

In the rear they used the ARK 3002 which is the "Cool Ride" kit pictured in the drawing below. (image #2)

The front also has 3" dropped spindles. It works very good, and rides excellent considering the profile of my tires.

The rear has alll the leafs removed but the top two, a flip kit, and 2" blocks. It is a bit more of a compromise in ride. You can get it to ride good by lowering the air pressure, but sometimes it bottoms out at that height. It is also lower than the front at this height. If you raise it up so it doesn't bottom out, and it sets level while driving, then it becomes a bit stiff on certain roads.

If we removed the 2" blocks, it would probably be close to perfect. Of course that will never happen, because it looks to darn good when it's aired out.

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TIMSPEED · 10-08-2003, 08:44 PM

Would I have to change out my shocks, if I went with AirBags, to shorter shocks? In the front, they're stock size DT's (3" Drop Spindles up there) and in the back, they're a LITTLE shorter (5" Flip Kit)

BaggedC10 · 10-08-2003, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by fiveeightchevy
Also I got the 4 link kit and the same F9000 sleeve bags N2 has and it rode great and from what N2 said his rides good too.

How is the backhalf coming on your 1983?

BaggedC10 · 10-08-2003, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TIMSPEED
Would I have to change out my shocks, if I went with AirBags, to shorter shocks? In the front, they're stock size DT's (3" Drop Spindles up there) and in the back, they're a LITTLE shorter (5" Flip Kit)

The Cool-Ride kit and parallel 4-link include Monroe shock absorbers. ART also offers QA1 billet aluminum adjustable shock absorbers for $159 a pair.

benscool1 · 10-08-2003, 09:37 PM

Hey BaggedC10, do you know how much the Cool-Ride parallel 4-link kit w/shockwave bags is?

Izzy · 10-08-2003, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BaggedC10

The Cool-Ride kit and parallel 4-link include Monroe shock absorbers. ART also offers QA1 billet aluminum adjustable shock absorbers for $159 a pair.

You sure they're not $159 per shock, I'm almost positive it's per shock??

Izzy · 10-08-2003, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by benscool1
Hey BaggedC10, do you know how much the Cool-Ride parallel 4-link kit w/shockwave bags is?

I think mine was $749 from Larry at http://www.innovativeairsuspension.com

Izzy · 10-08-2003, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BaggedC10

How is the backhalf coming on your 1983?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Actually I haven't started it yet. Have all the square tubing and rails just need to get some time to start setting it up.

Izzy · 10-08-2003, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TIMSPEED

Please Explain...I understand static in the front with a 3" Drop Spindle...but if you don't have springs in the rear, how can you "Static" drop it?
OR, do you mean, if you've got your axle flipped with hangles and a 3" drop springs (10" drop), you can lay out?
Also...DAMN! That shiz is EASY to install in the front! AIRBAGS HERE I COME!!!

Static meaning you could have a flip kit, shackle and a block to get your drop and pull a couple leafs and you'd end up with a setup something similiar to N2's.

benscool1 · 10-08-2003, 10:45 PM

What is the big difference between triangular and parallel 4-link? Which is better? Is one better for street use and one more for racing? Does one ride better?

BaggedC10 · 10-08-2003, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fiveeightchevy
You sure they're not $159 per shock, I'm almost positive it's per shock??

I think you are right.

Izzy · 10-08-2003, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by benscool1
What is the big difference between triangular and parallel 4-link? Which is better? Is one better for street use and one more for racing? Does one ride better?

Our frames aren't wide enough to run a tri and it not bind. Also you cannot/should not weld to the center section of a GM rear and that is normally where the upper tri bars are welded.
A tri wont ride any better than the parallel with the same bags.

Izzy · 10-08-2003, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by BaggedC10

I think you are right.

Never doubt me. LOL

benscool1 · 10-08-2003, 11:20 PM

ahhhh. Thanks. How hard do you all think it would be to make our own parallel setup?

**N2TRUX** · 10-09-2003, 12:35 AM

Here's a little info about tri-bar vs 4 bar (or link). A tri-bar system normally uses 4 bars. Huh? Is that right? Yes, it uses 4 bars, and a 4 bar uses 5.....Right now your saying WHAT is he talking about.

All of these "bar" type systems have to prevent the rear end from moving side to side. Since the parrallel bars have some sort of bushing or bushed end on it, they allow side to side travel.

On a traditional 4 bar system, all 4 bars run parrallel with the frame, and use a 5th bar connected in a lateral positin from the frame to the rear end. This prevents the rear end from moving side to side. This bar is called a panhard bar.

On a tri bar system the 2 lower bars run parrallel with the frame, and the 2 upper bars are connected to the axle toward the outer edge near the frame. The other ends are attached to a crossmember near the middle or center of the frame. This triangulates the top 2 bars, and "in theory" eliminates the need for a panhard bar.

The problem is in some applications, it doesn't work that well. It still allows the rear end to walk around, or move from side to side.

I have a tri-bar system on my 82 Blazer, and it works very well. For the system to work well, it really must have a 4 corner control air system. This prevents air transfer on cornering, and doesn't allow the chain reaction that leads to lateral travel in the rear end.

I know this covers a broad spectrum, and someone will no doubt point out what I have left out. This was only meant as an overview to offer a better understanding of these type of systems...

grnddwn · 10-09-2003, 06:12 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by N2TRUX
[B]In regards to my sustem I assume you mean my 77, since my Blazer doesn't get much press.

I like your blazer. I hope that makes you feel better.

love it loud · 10-09-2003, 08:37 PM

i just can't believe it's like 550 bucks for JUST the front two bags! two bags, two cups, and two plates.. ouch! what would be the cheapest compressor setup to run with the front coolride kit on the 73-87 trucks? not just simply cheapest, but best value i guess.. like still staying good quality but the least expensive as possible ya know what i mean? and the cheapest method on the rear i guess would be an air-over-leaf setup? seems like only around 250 bucks for that..

Izzy · 10-09-2003, 11:26 PM

I would suggest a Viair450C for a comp. You can get them for $220 on ebay and several other shops.

Also you could get the mounts for cheaper from ART you just have to look around a bit.

Izzy · 10-09-2003, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by love it loud
i just can't believe it's like 550 bucks for JUST the front two bags! two bags, two cups, and two plates.. ouch!

I paid $472 with free shipping and that got me the 2 bags, 2 lower cups, 2 upper plates, shocks, fittings and all the line to run the front.

10-08-2003, 05:05 PM	#3
TIMSPEED Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,321	If I ever did Bags, I would 4-link it, so I could lay out with 28" tires. Izzy, That Cool Ride kit looks VERY easy to install! You just weld those plates to the stock A-arm right? __________________ I have a few cars... See Them Here

10-08-2003, 05:32 PM	#5
bagged81 Signals in the bumper. Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: East TN Posts: 856	CoolRide and 4-link, only way to fly. __________________ Jeff C. 1981 Chevrolet Silverado - Under major construction...again. link 1962 Chevrolet Impala 4D Sedan moredoorclassics.com 1936 Ford Pickup - Frame-off in progress link 1979 Chevrolet Camper Special Flatbed link

10-08-2003, 07:19 PM	#7
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,021	In regards to my sustem I assume you mean my 77, since my Blazer doesn't get much press. On the 77 we went with the ARC 4700 "Big Red" valve system (image #1). They added the ARF11800 front kit which is what Izzy has pictured above^. In the rear they used the ARK 3002 which is the "Cool Ride" kit pictured in the drawing below. (image #2) The front also has 3" dropped spindles. It works very good, and rides excellent considering the profile of my tires. The rear has alll the leafs removed but the top two, a flip kit, and 2" blocks. It is a bit more of a compromise in ride. You can get it to ride good by lowering the air pressure, but sometimes it bottoms out at that height. It is also lower than the front at this height. If you raise it up so it doesn't bottom out, and it sets level while driving, then it becomes a bit stiff on certain roads. If we removed the 2" blocks, it would probably be close to perfect. Of course that will never happen, because it looks to darn good when it's aired out. #1 #2 __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

10-08-2003, 08:44 PM	#8
TIMSPEED Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,321	Would I have to change out my shocks, if I went with AirBags, to shorter shocks? In the front, they're stock size DT's (3" Drop Spindles up there) and in the back, they're a LITTLE shorter (5" Flip Kit) __________________ I have a few cars... See Them Here

10-08-2003, 09:37 PM	#11
benscool1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Williamsfield, IL Posts: 781	Hey BaggedC10, do you know how much the Cool-Ride parallel 4-link kit w/shockwave bags is? __________________ Ben 84 C10 Silverado 14 Silverado Z71

10-08-2003, 04:44 PM	#1
r0lf- Hotwheels? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pleasant Hill, CA Posts: 1,145	Question about bags... I was taking a look at ART's webpage and I took a look at their coolride kits. I was wondering what N2Trux is using on his ride and what 5-8 used. I dont think Id 4-Link the back if I did do it, but its looking like more and more of a possibility with some nice 18 tucked under the fenders __________________ 1978 Money Pit - CUSTOM DELUXE!!!!

10-08-2003, 05:01 PM	#2
Izzy Trucker. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,364	I used thier front cool ride kit that looks like this: Also I got the 4 link kit and the same F9000 sleeve bags N2 has and it rode great and from what N2 said his rides good too.

10-08-2003, 10:45 PM	#16
benscool1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Williamsfield, IL Posts: 781	What is the big difference between triangular and parallel 4-link? Which is better? Is one better for street use and one more for racing? Does one ride better? __________________ Ben 84 C10 Silverado 14 Silverado Z71

10-08-2003, 11:20 PM	#20
benscool1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Williamsfield, IL Posts: 781	ahhhh. Thanks. How hard do you all think it would be to make our own parallel setup? __________________ Ben 84 C10 Silverado 14 Silverado Z71

10-09-2003, 12:35 AM	#21
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,021	Here's a little info about tri-bar vs 4 bar (or link). A tri-bar system normally uses 4 bars. Huh? Is that right? Yes, it uses 4 bars, and a 4 bar uses 5.....Right now your saying WHAT is he talking about. All of these "bar" type systems have to prevent the rear end from moving side to side. Since the parrallel bars have some sort of bushing or bushed end on it, they allow side to side travel. On a traditional 4 bar system, all 4 bars run parrallel with the frame, and use a 5th bar connected in a lateral positin from the frame to the rear end. This prevents the rear end from moving side to side. This bar is called a panhard bar. On a tri bar system the 2 lower bars run parrallel with the frame, and the 2 upper bars are connected to the axle toward the outer edge near the frame. The other ends are attached to a crossmember near the middle or center of the frame. This triangulates the top 2 bars, and "in theory" eliminates the need for a panhard bar. The problem is in some applications, it doesn't work that well. It still allows the rear end to walk around, or move from side to side. I have a tri-bar system on my 82 Blazer, and it works very well. For the system to work well, it really must have a 4 corner control air system. This prevents air transfer on cornering, and doesn't allow the chain reaction that leads to lateral travel in the rear end. I know this covers a broad spectrum, and someone will no doubt point out what I have left out. This was only meant as an overview to offer a better understanding of these type of systems...

10-09-2003, 06:12 PM	#22
grnddwn belly dragger Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: sherwood park AB. Canada Posts: 694	[QUOTE]Originally posted by N2TRUX [B]In regards to my sustem I assume you mean my 77, since my Blazer doesn't get much press. I like your blazer. I hope that makes you feel better.

10-09-2003, 08:37 PM	#23
love it loud Calibration Engineer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada Posts: 361	i just can't believe it's like 550 bucks for JUST the front two bags! two bags, two cups, and two plates.. ouch! what would be the cheapest compressor setup to run with the front coolride kit on the 73-87 trucks? not just simply cheapest, but best value i guess.. like still staying good quality but the least expensive as possible ya know what i mean? and the cheapest method on the rear i guess would be an air-over-leaf setup? seems like only around 250 bucks for that.. __________________ CANADIAN CONNECTION

10-09-2003, 11:26 PM	#24
Izzy Trucker. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,364	I would suggest a Viair450C for a comp. You can get them for $220 on ebay and several other shops. Also you could get the mounts for cheaper from ART you just have to look around a bit.



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