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Missyblue · 07-16-2018, 06:04 PM

Hey so super excited to get my birthday present today ....fender emblems for our 1957 gmc! But needing advice The previous owner was converting to a chevy and so he bondoed and painted over the holes. Curious if you have advice to open thethem up. Figured i would just start with a little drill bit and see what happens but unfamiliar with paint and worried I'll make a cracked mess
Thanks

**TKCR** · 07-16-2018, 06:26 PM

What about putting double sided tape on the emblem and attaching it that way. That way you won't have to drill any holes

**Dan in Pasadena** · 07-16-2018, 08:09 PM

^^^ That's what I would do with fresh paint^^^

**mongocanfly** · 07-16-2018, 09:19 PM

X3 on the 3m tape....
Or drill out the holes if you can find them....some tape where the holes are might help keep the paint from chipping....some touch up paint in the little bottles may help prevent future rust in the holes....

capnduane · 07-16-2018, 09:49 PM

I don't know, tape doesn't sound like a very good method to me. Maybe to temporarily install to see how they look, but then a chance of making a mess....When I installed my hood ornament on my '55 I gave it some thought for a while and decided to put it on. My holes had been welded shut by a PO. I used a Dremel tool with a pointed stone to open the holes up from the back side. If your holes are bondo'ed he may have put a backing piece behind or not. Take a look at the back and see what gives.

capnduane · 07-16-2018, 10:14 PM

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**G&R's57GMC** · 07-16-2018, 11:09 PM

3M double sided tape is what all the auto manufactures use to mount all the emblems on new cars and trucks for decades.

As long as the surface is clean and prepped the parts will stay on for decades.

Missyblue · 07-16-2018, 11:37 PM

Thanks so much I appreciate the help. So they didn't do an amazing job I'll attach a photo of some of the holes. Th e photo is from the mirror holes So as you can see I I can see where they are they didn't do a great job and there's like Bondo snakes coming out the backside. So I figure from your suggestions I'll take the front and maybe come from the backside? Plus I have to figure this out anyways because they did the same thing to my rearview mirror holes and im pretty sure I'm not taping those bad boys on haha. But if I don't like how the 1st hole goes 3m tape sounds awesome for at least the emblems hadnt thought of that
Thanks so much for the advice I'll keep you posted. You all are awesome

capnduane · 07-17-2018, 12:15 AM

Bondo snakes.... Ha Ha Ha Good luck with your pretty blue GMC!

Foot Stomper · 07-17-2018, 08:22 AM

Bondo is not a hole filler and will fail as such. Moisture is it's enemy and your starting to see the effects. Clean it out of the holes to help stop the failure. Once the holes are back to clean as can get metal, paint the exposed areas to prevent further deterioration.
Good thing you have the emblems to cover the holes, otherwise you'd be welding them up and painting.

Emblem tape is a fantastic product but not an option in your case.

**TKCR** · 07-17-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Foot Stomper

Emblem tape is a fantastic product but not an option in your case.

Is that because of the weight of these old emblems? I know these older emblems are a lot heavier than the plastic emblems.

MARTINSR · 07-17-2018, 10:21 AM

Let me make something perfectly clear, you could put a friggin fender on with todays two sided tape and that is NOT an exaggeration!

The thing is the substrate it's going on would need to be as strong as the tape. So peeling paint is not an option to stick it on! The paint on that fender where she is holding the measuring tape doesn't look very good! A big emblem like that may not hang on simply because of the paint failing, NOT the tape.

Besides, it really depends on the backside of the emblem, if it has a big recess in it, how can tape be applied? There are lots of old emblems that simply couldn't be taped on because of the recess in the back, it's not solid 3/8"-1/2" thick pot metal, it's hollowed out and thus can't be taped on.

But I think this is all a moot point being the holes are sitting right there! Knock the bondo out with a friggin ball point pen and bolt the emblem on as it was a the factory and roll down the road with a smile on your face.

Brian

Foot Stomper · 07-17-2018, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARTINSR

But I think this is all a moot point being the holes are sitting right there! Knock the bondo out with a friggin ball point pen and bolt the emblem on as it was a the factory and roll down the road with a smile on your face.

Brian

Exactly what Brian said.

Any holes filled with bondo will fail as you are seeing in your truck. Some lazy ass didn't weld them up and took a cheap and innefective shortcut that will inevitably fail.

Again, bondo is not designed to close off holes.

Missyblue · 07-17-2018, 12:04 PM

Well didn't go quite as planned as soon as we started messing with the Bondo they kinda just pooped out. Thankfully not horribly. Now I guess just clean the edges and seal like someone suggested for rust? The holes for the mirrors are harder to find and haven't failed yet so will probably have to try the drilling method.

I knew they did a lazy mans job on the truck but it was the cleanest best thing we could find at the time and so we have some interesting adventures ahead haha

Thanks again for the advice. On a positive note since the holes popped out so easy we had some time and also got the old fuel tank pulled and my daughter cleaned the headliner. Awesome day of progress and memories

Foot Stomper · 07-17-2018, 01:26 PM

Excellent results!
Take some paint and touch up any bare steel you might have or even some seam sealer wouldn't hurt either.

I would avoid drilling if at all possible. The bondo is soft, and like Brian said, a ball point pen should be a good tool for popping it lose. The mirror mounts should be easy to see if they didn't weld them shut. Use a flashlight in a dark room, the different angles of the light might show a ghosting of those holes. You just need to find one of the three to get started.

MARTINSR · 07-17-2018, 02:49 PM

Your daughter is darling! Yep, life treasure time there!

You may get a kick out this.

https://www.hotrodders.com/forum/exa...ng-151203.html

Brian

Missyblue · 07-18-2018, 11:25 AM

Martinsr that is awesome thank for sharing! Thats awesome! Yeah wish I would have had my dad teach me all these years but I'm trying to learn a few things now. Haha. My daughter looks to be on a better track though with our project 😁

Well here she is showing off her gmc glory. Thanks again for the advice!

07-16-2018, 06:04 PM	#1
Missyblue Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Fruita, co Posts: 243	Emblem install help paint problems Hey so super excited to get my birthday present today ....fender emblems for our 1957 gmc! But needing advice The previous owner was converting to a chevy and so he bondoed and painted over the holes. Curious if you have advice to open thethem up. Figured i would just start with a little drill bit and see what happens but unfamiliar with paint and worried I'll make a cracked mess Thanks Attached Images

07-16-2018, 06:26 PM	#2
TKCR Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,979	Re: Emblem install help paint problems What about putting double sided tape on the emblem and attaching it that way. That way you won't have to drill any holes __________________ FB Page for my Seats Belts https://www.facebook.com/73-87-Chevy...9439407476735/ Restoring Seatbelts: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=809750 SOLD My 86 Build:http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=654972 Past Restored Bench Seats:http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=715398 PayPal link to pay for your items: https://www.paypal.me/TKCR

07-16-2018, 08:09 PM	#3
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,343	Re: Emblem install help paint problems ^^^ That's what I would do with fresh paint^^^ __________________ '55 Big Window Shortbed, Drive-It-&-Work-On-It slid down the "slippery slope" to a Frame-Off Rodstoration! LQ4/4l85e/C4 IFS/Mustang 8.8 rearend w/3.73's Dan's '55 Big Window "Build" - Well, Kinda!

07-16-2018, 09:19 PM	#4
mongocanfly Post Whore Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 14,670	Re: Emblem install help paint problems X3 on the 3m tape.... Or drill out the holes if you can find them....some tape where the holes are might help keep the paint from chipping....some touch up paint in the little bottles may help prevent future rust in the holes.... __________________ Mongo...aka Greg RIP Dad RIP Jesse 1981 C30 LQ9 NV4500..http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=753598 Mongos AD- LS3 TR6060...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post8522334 Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...63#post8082563 2023 Chevy Z71..daily driver Last edited by mongocanfly; 07-16-2018 at 10:50 PM.

07-16-2018, 09:49 PM	#5
capnduane Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Moreno Valley, Calif. Posts: 244	Re: Emblem install help paint problems I don't know, tape doesn't sound like a very good method to me. Maybe to temporarily install to see how they look, but then a chance of making a mess....When I installed my hood ornament on my '55 I gave it some thought for a while and decided to put it on. My holes had been welded shut by a PO. I used a Dremel tool with a pointed stone to open the holes up from the back side. If your holes are bondo'ed he may have put a backing piece behind or not. Take a look at the back and see what gives. Attached Images __________________ '55 Chevy 1/2ton pickup w/ Pontiac 350 and Muncie M21 close ratio 4speed "Red Ryder"

07-16-2018, 10:14 PM	#6
capnduane Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Moreno Valley, Calif. Posts: 244	Re: Emblem install help paint problems .. __________________ '55 Chevy 1/2ton pickup w/ Pontiac 350 and Muncie M21 close ratio 4speed "Red Ryder" Last edited by capnduane; 07-16-2018 at 10:21 PM. Reason: double post

07-16-2018, 11:09 PM	#7
G&R's57GMC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Shasta Lake, CA. Posts: 1,624	Re: Emblem install help paint problems 3M double sided tape is what all the auto manufactures use to mount all the emblems on new cars and trucks for decades. As long as the surface is clean and prepped the parts will stay on for decades. __________________ Glen & Jane's Rides ‘57 GMC NAPCO Long Bed V8 4 speed Bought 2008 7 other cars & trucks , 5 trailers '56 Chevy Long Bed I6, 4 speed Bought 1990 Sold 8.22.2020 ’56 GMC Suburban Pickup V8, 4 speed Hydramatic Bought 1996 Sold 10.11.2020 My Other Tinkerings http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...75#post8967275

07-16-2018, 11:37 PM	#8
Missyblue Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Fruita, co Posts: 243	Re: Emblem install help paint problems Thanks so much I appreciate the help. So they didn't do an amazing job I'll attach a photo of some of the holes. Th e photo is from the mirror holes So as you can see I I can see where they are they didn't do a great job and there's like Bondo snakes coming out the backside. So I figure from your suggestions I'll take the front and maybe come from the backside? Plus I have to figure this out anyways because they did the same thing to my rearview mirror holes and im pretty sure I'm not taping those bad boys on haha. But if I don't like how the 1st hole goes 3m tape sounds awesome for at least the emblems hadnt thought of that Thanks so much for the advice I'll keep you posted. You all are awesome Attached Images Last edited by Missyblue; 07-16-2018 at 11:43 PM.

07-17-2018, 12:15 AM	#9
capnduane Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Moreno Valley, Calif. Posts: 244	Re: Emblem install help paint problems Bondo snakes.... Ha Ha Ha Good luck with your pretty blue GMC! __________________ '55 Chevy 1/2ton pickup w/ Pontiac 350 and Muncie M21 close ratio 4speed "Red Ryder"

07-17-2018, 08:22 AM	#10
Foot Stomper Registered User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 1,252	Re: Emblem install help paint problems Bondo is not a hole filler and will fail as such. Moisture is it's enemy and your starting to see the effects. Clean it out of the holes to help stop the failure. Once the holes are back to clean as can get metal, paint the exposed areas to prevent further deterioration. Good thing you have the emblems to cover the holes, otherwise you'd be welding them up and painting. Emblem tape is a fantastic product but not an option in your case. __________________ So when is this "Old enough to know better" supposed to kick in? My 1959 GMC build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=686989

07-17-2018, 10:21 AM	#12
MARTINSR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 6,003	Re: Emblem install help paint problems Let me make something perfectly clear, you could put a friggin fender on with todays two sided tape and that is NOT an exaggeration! The thing is the substrate it's going on would need to be as strong as the tape. So peeling paint is not an option to stick it on! The paint on that fender where she is holding the measuring tape doesn't look very good! A big emblem like that may not hang on simply because of the paint failing, NOT the tape. Besides, it really depends on the backside of the emblem, if it has a big recess in it, how can tape be applied? There are lots of old emblems that simply couldn't be taped on because of the recess in the back, it's not solid 3/8"-1/2" thick pot metal, it's hollowed out and thus can't be taped on. But I think this is all a moot point being the holes are sitting right there! Knock the bondo out with a friggin ball point pen and bolt the emblem on as it was a the factory and roll down the road with a smile on your face. Brian __________________ 1948 Chevy pickup Chopped, Sectioned, 1953 Corvette 235 powered. Once was even 401 Buick mid engined with the carburetor right between the seats! Bought with paper route money in 1973 when I was 15. "Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

07-17-2018, 12:04 PM	#14
Missyblue Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Fruita, co Posts: 243	Re: Emblem install help paint problems Well didn't go quite as planned as soon as we started messing with the Bondo they kinda just pooped out. Thankfully not horribly. Now I guess just clean the edges and seal like someone suggested for rust? The holes for the mirrors are harder to find and haven't failed yet so will probably have to try the drilling method. I knew they did a lazy mans job on the truck but it was the cleanest best thing we could find at the time and so we have some interesting adventures ahead haha Thanks again for the advice. On a positive note since the holes popped out so easy we had some time and also got the old fuel tank pulled and my daughter cleaned the headliner. Awesome day of progress and memories Attached Images Last edited by Missyblue; 07-17-2018 at 12:10 PM.

07-17-2018, 01:26 PM	#15
Foot Stomper Registered User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 1,252	Re: Emblem install help paint problems Excellent results! Take some paint and touch up any bare steel you might have or even some seam sealer wouldn't hurt either. I would avoid drilling if at all possible. The bondo is soft, and like Brian said, a ball point pen should be a good tool for popping it lose. The mirror mounts should be easy to see if they didn't weld them shut. Use a flashlight in a dark room, the different angles of the light might show a ghosting of those holes. You just need to find one of the three to get started. __________________ So when is this "Old enough to know better" supposed to kick in? My 1959 GMC build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=686989

07-17-2018, 02:49 PM	#16
MARTINSR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 6,003	Re: Emblem install help paint problems Your daughter is darling! Yep, life treasure time there! You may get a kick out this. https://www.hotrodders.com/forum/exa...ng-151203.html Brian __________________ 1948 Chevy pickup Chopped, Sectioned, 1953 Corvette 235 powered. Once was even 401 Buick mid engined with the carburetor right between the seats! Bought with paper route money in 1973 when I was 15. "Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

07-18-2018, 11:25 AM	#17
Missyblue Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Fruita, co Posts: 243	Re: Emblem install help paint problems Martinsr that is awesome thank for sharing! Thats awesome! Yeah wish I would have had my dad teach me all these years but I'm trying to learn a few things now. Haha. My daughter looks to be on a better track though with our project 😁 Well here she is showing off her gmc glory. Thanks again for the advice! Attached Images



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