Radiator Questions - Leaning toward Champion - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

sk8rgui · 10-16-2021, 08:55 PM

My radiator has recently developed a leak and I'm looking to replace it. I don't have a powerful, supped up engine, nor do I have heat issues. I do like the look of the aluminum radiators and I'd prefer the electric fan setup.

I have an 82 2WD C10 with

350 CC Engine
AC
Turbo 350 Transmission

I'm leaning towards the Champion EC716 package and it seems like lots of people on here have had luck with Champion Radiators. I've got a few questions and I'm hoping someone has used this package or something similar.

It looks like the area on the top right is a heater plug, but I can't tell if it's plugged up or what. Does anyone know if that is where the heater hooks up? It's hard for me to tell how that area looks/works from the pictures(probably a dumb question, just trying to avoid future headaches)
How do you mount theses type of radiators. Do they use the stock brackets with rubber mounts? Or is there a lot of modification to the radiator mounts
Anything special need to be done when flushing these systems with something like BlueDevil Radiator flush.
The thermostat/relay kit add on - Any experience with it? I've seen some say that various relay kits make the car run too hot/cold.

Current radiator dimensions

Approximate Core Dimensions: 18.75 tall (fin to fin) x 28.5 wide x 1.5 inch deep
Approximate Exterior Dimensions: 20.25 tall x roughly 34 wide
3 small rows of fins inside it

Thanks in advanced

karlbenz · 10-17-2021, 08:32 PM

I would stick with the stock fan and shroud.

S10Fan · 10-18-2021, 08:46 AM

If you decide to go with the Champion, they are top notch products. I've used them in a few of my builds (not in any of my square body trucks). I have one of their radiators in my 50 Chevrolet (car) and the fit was perfect, bolt holes etc. I would call and inquire about direct fit, my guess would be it will fit as needed.

I agree with karlbenz though, factory style with a mechanical fan will most always give flawless performance.

sk8rgui · 10-25-2021, 07:57 PM

Wanted to provide an update in case others stumble upon this thread. I looked around quite a bit trying to decide what to go with. Replacement parts for my truck are hard to find right now at my local auto store in St. Louis, Missouri. I could only find two radiators locally that were the proper dimensions: a single row at O’reilys for $190 and a two row at Napa for $225.

I ended up researching a lot of radiators online (Griffin, Misimoto, Champion, Summit Racing’s in house brand). I ended up going with a 3 row Champion from Jegs.com They were one of the only places that had some in stock. I got the CC716 Champion 3 row radiator for $259.

According to the folks at Ledfoot Racing, it’s supposed to be a direct drop in replacement (I would have ordered it from them, but they didn’t have it in stock). They recommended the 3 row since I have a 350 engine with factory air.

The install wasn’t exactly drop in, but it was minimal work. The big issues I had are the following:

The inlet is 1.5 inch and our factory radiator inlets are 1.25. I replaced all my hoses, but the top inlet hose that connects the thermostat housing and the radiator wouldn’t fit. I ended up making my old worn hose fit, but I don’t really trust it. I plan to swap it with a new one and this adapter from summit racing.
The radiator support brackets were in the way of the filler tube, so i had to trim a bit of the top of the radiator support bracket off with a cutoff wheel.

Along with the swap I did a full radiator flush through my old radiator, swapped hoses, and put a new thermostat on. I haven’t put the shroud back on yet, but it’s keeping the truck cool, maybe a bit too cool. My trucks staying on or just above the quarter tick mark on my temperature gauge. It did get up to about the halfway mark after running around for an hour or so yesterday, but most the time it stays by the quarter mark. (In the past it always stayed around the halfway mark)

This could be due to the amount of gunk that was in my old setup, it was pretty barnacled up. This might also be the 160 degree thermostat they gave me at the parts store (need to research correct temp for my truck). Also, it might be due to the cooler temps (50-60) we are having right now. Maybe it’s a combination.

Overall, I’d recommend it. I’ve only got about 3 hours on truck since the swap, but it seems to be doing well. Time will really tell. I’ll update here as things change.

sk8rgui · 10-25-2021, 08:32 PM

Just a quick search here looks like they gave me the non-recommended temp on the thermostat. That would probably would be enough to make it run cool. Looks like O’reilys say I should be running a 195 degree thermostat. People on this forum seem to recommend a 180 to 195 degree thermostat.

karlbenz · 10-25-2021, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sk8rgui

Just a quick search here looks like they gave me the non-recommended temp on the thermostat. That would probably would be enough to make it run cool. Looks like O’reilys say I should be running a 195 degree thermostat. People on this forum seem to recommend a 180 to 195 degree thermostat.

I've always run 180 on older stuff

Bloodhound · 10-25-2021, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlbenz

I've always run 180 on older stuff

Same.

LT7A · 10-26-2021, 05:45 AM

I was guessing that the lower temp thermostat was the reason you were running so much cooler. Couldn't swear to it though, so it's good that the other guys chimed in and that you checked what's specified online. Thanks for coming back here with the info.

sk8rgui · 10-26-2021, 10:16 AM

Awesome. I will grab a 180 degree thermostat and try that out. Thanks for all the confirmations.
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sk8rgui · 10-26-2021, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LT7A

I was guessing that the lower temp thermostat was the reason you were running so much cooler. Couldn't swear to it though, so it's good that the other guys chimed in and that you checked what's specified online. Thanks for coming back here with the info.

No problem. I’ve lurked here on and off for a long time. Now that I am finally starting to fix my truck I plan to post/participate more often.
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S10Fan · 10-26-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bloodhound

Same.

180 for sure with most carburetor engines.

dieseldawg142 · 10-28-2021, 02:19 AM

a 160 thermostat will keep your temp gauge at the first quarter tick mark.
I been running a champeen 3 core on my 454 k30 since 2011 with zero probs. i also run a 160 t-stat cause i go up some mother huge hills wit my camper and quad trailer. with the 160 on a long uphill pull in 80-90 degree weather with the camper and trailer, the temp gauge will nudge up to 195-200-ish. with the 180 it would get close to overheating, around 220+
i'll take the cooler temps with the 160 running around empty any day.

10-16-2021, 08:55 PM	#1
sk8rgui Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: St. Louis, Mo Posts: 18	Radiator Questions - Leaning toward Champion My radiator has recently developed a leak and I'm looking to replace it. I don't have a powerful, supped up engine, nor do I have heat issues. I do like the look of the aluminum radiators and I'd prefer the electric fan setup. I have an 82 2WD C10 with 350 CC Engine AC Turbo 350 Transmission I'm leaning towards the Champion EC716 package and it seems like lots of people on here have had luck with Champion Radiators. I've got a few questions and I'm hoping someone has used this package or something similar. It looks like the area on the top right is a heater plug, but I can't tell if it's plugged up or what. Does anyone know if that is where the heater hooks up? It's hard for me to tell how that area looks/works from the pictures(probably a dumb question, just trying to avoid future headaches) How do you mount theses type of radiators. Do they use the stock brackets with rubber mounts? Or is there a lot of modification to the radiator mounts Anything special need to be done when flushing these systems with something like BlueDevil Radiator flush. The thermostat/relay kit add on - Any experience with it? I've seen some say that various relay kits make the car run too hot/cold. Current radiator dimensions Approximate Core Dimensions: 18.75 tall (fin to fin) x 28.5 wide x 1.5 inch deep Approximate Exterior Dimensions: 20.25 tall x roughly 34 wide 3 small rows of fins inside it Thanks in advanced Last edited by sk8rgui; 10-16-2021 at 09:03 PM.

10-17-2021, 08:32 PM	#2
karlbenz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: kannapolis, nc Posts: 528	Re: Radiator Questions - Leaning toward Champion I would stick with the stock fan and shroud. __________________ 2000 c3500 utility bed 7.4l 5sp manual old body style. Cab and chassis 1964 GMC K10 383cu in/sm465/twin stick np205 1965 Chevy C60

10-18-2021, 08:46 AM	#3
S10Fan Old Heap Driver Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Newport News, Va Posts: 2,642	Re: Radiator Questions - Leaning toward Champion If you decide to go with the Champion, they are top notch products. I've used them in a few of my builds (not in any of my square body trucks). I have one of their radiators in my 50 Chevrolet (car) and the fit was perfect, bolt holes etc. I would call and inquire about direct fit, my guess would be it will fit as needed. I agree with karlbenz though, factory style with a mechanical fan will most always give flawless performance. __________________ _____________________________ Bryan '99 Silverado 1500, 4.3, 5-speed, reg cab, short bed '50 Chevy 2DR Hard Top, 350/350, M2 Front End, 3:08 gear, cruiser. '40 F**d Sedan, all Chevy power, Heidt's front end, TCI rear, nice driver.

10-25-2021, 07:57 PM	#4
sk8rgui Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: St. Louis, Mo Posts: 18	Re: Radiator Questions - Leaning toward Champion Wanted to provide an update in case others stumble upon this thread. I looked around quite a bit trying to decide what to go with. Replacement parts for my truck are hard to find right now at my local auto store in St. Louis, Missouri. I could only find two radiators locally that were the proper dimensions: a single row at O’reilys for $190 and a two row at Napa for $225. I ended up researching a lot of radiators online (Griffin, Misimoto, Champion, Summit Racing’s in house brand). I ended up going with a 3 row Champion from Jegs.com They were one of the only places that had some in stock. I got the CC716 Champion 3 row radiator for $259. According to the folks at Ledfoot Racing, it’s supposed to be a direct drop in replacement (I would have ordered it from them, but they didn’t have it in stock). They recommended the 3 row since I have a 350 engine with factory air. The install wasn’t exactly drop in, but it was minimal work. The big issues I had are the following: The inlet is 1.5 inch and our factory radiator inlets are 1.25. I replaced all my hoses, but the top inlet hose that connects the thermostat housing and the radiator wouldn’t fit. I ended up making my old worn hose fit, but I don’t really trust it. I plan to swap it with a new one and this adapter from summit racing. The radiator support brackets were in the way of the filler tube, so i had to trim a bit of the top of the radiator support bracket off with a cutoff wheel. Along with the swap I did a full radiator flush through my old radiator, swapped hoses, and put a new thermostat on. I haven’t put the shroud back on yet, but it’s keeping the truck cool, maybe a bit too cool. My trucks staying on or just above the quarter tick mark on my temperature gauge. It did get up to about the halfway mark after running around for an hour or so yesterday, but most the time it stays by the quarter mark. (In the past it always stayed around the halfway mark) This could be due to the amount of gunk that was in my old setup, it was pretty barnacled up. This might also be the 160 degree thermostat they gave me at the parts store (need to research correct temp for my truck). Also, it might be due to the cooler temps (50-60) we are having right now. Maybe it’s a combination. Overall, I’d recommend it. I’ve only got about 3 hours on truck since the swap, but it seems to be doing well. Time will really tell. I’ll update here as things change.

10-25-2021, 08:32 PM	#5
sk8rgui Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: St. Louis, Mo Posts: 18	Re: Radiator Questions - Leaning toward Champion Just a quick search here looks like they gave me the non-recommended temp on the thermostat. That would probably would be enough to make it run cool. Looks like O’reilys say I should be running a 195 degree thermostat. People on this forum seem to recommend a 180 to 195 degree thermostat.

10-26-2021, 05:45 AM	#8
LT7A Registered User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: PNW Posts: 3,626	Re: Radiator Questions - Leaning toward Champion I was guessing that the lower temp thermostat was the reason you were running so much cooler. Couldn't swear to it though, so it's good that the other guys chimed in and that you checked what's specified online. Thanks for coming back here with the info.

10-26-2021, 10:16 AM	#9
sk8rgui Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: St. Louis, Mo Posts: 18	Awesome. I will grab a 180 degree thermostat and try that out. Thanks for all the confirmations. Posted via Mobile Device

10-28-2021, 02:19 AM	#12
dieseldawg142 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: back 40, bc Posts: 3,906	Re: Radiator Questions - Leaning toward Champion a 160 thermostat will keep your temp gauge at the first quarter tick mark. I been running a champeen 3 core on my 454 k30 since 2011 with zero probs. i also run a 160 t-stat cause i go up some mother huge hills wit my camper and quad trailer. with the 160 on a long uphill pull in 80-90 degree weather with the camper and trailer, the temp gauge will nudge up to 195-200-ish. with the 180 it would get close to overheating, around 220+ i'll take the cooler temps with the 160 running around empty any day.



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